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No it is not a choice for unions to cover all employees, it is a requirement. Why should a union have to cover someone that doesn't pay dues?
The myth of "free riders" in right-to-work states >> Publications >> Washington Policy CenterFederal law does not obligate unions to represent non-members. Unions only represent non-union workers when union executives take on exclusive bargaining representation.
Federal law does not obligate unions to represent non-members. Under the National Labor Relations Act, unions can represent only their dues-paying members under a “members-only” contract. The benefits secured under these contracts apply only to dues-paying members. As noted by the former chairman of the National Labor Relations Board William Gould, “the law now permits ‘members-only’ bargaining for employees.”
Unions are only required to represent non-union workers if union executives choose to take on exclusive bargaining representation. Exclusive bargaining representation gives unions a monopoly, because it specifies that only one union may organize and represent employees in a unit. Employees may not represent themselves when negotiating with their employer, nor may any other union compete for membership.
This monopoly bargaining option means a union has decided to represent and negotiate on behalf of all employees in a company, regardless of whether every employee wants that representation. It also eliminates competition from other unions seeking to represent the same workers.
However, if unions opt for exclusive representation, the law then requires them to negotiate equally for all workers. That is, as the exclusive representative, the union cannot negotiate a lower wage that discriminates against non-members.
Yeah, because you aren't the reason a business exists. I know that must crush your ego, that you aren't that important. Unions destroy businesses because they force employers to over pay for labor.
What!!!??? People getting together in order to strengthen their leverage in negotiating contracted rates of exchange for their labor!!!!! Perish the thought!
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Unions choose to cover all employees, they don't have too. THAT is the scam.
Why should I pay for a service I didn't want?
No one will be 'forced into a union'.
Huh. Staring off a thread w/a bald faced lie is never a good idea.
One should be able to get a job without being forced to join a union. The way I understand this is in RTW states joining the union is optional, up to the individual and if the individual doesn't join the union, he can still get a job. States without RTW laws can force an individual to join a union if they want to get a job.
No join union, no job.
One should be able to get a job without being forced to join a union. The way I understand this is in RTW states joining the union is optional, up to the individual and if the individual doesn't join the union, he can still get a job. States without RTW laws can force an individual to join a union if they want to get a job.
No join union, no job.
Yeah, because you aren't the reason a business exists. I know that must crush your ego, that you aren't that important. Unions destroy businesses because they force employers to over pay for labor.
I have no problem with voluntary unions. It's the forced union representation that is the problem. Do try to not make claims for me I did not make. I just find that unions tend to be harmful to business, but if you CHOOSE to be a union stooge that's on you.
Technically they don't HAVE to join the union, semantics aside, they are forced to pay dues and representation fees, even if they don't "join" in a non-RTW state. They still have to pay and be subject to the unions rules, just without the right to have a say in the union.
Spare me the talking points. My employer is allowed to pretend that I am just there for the day to paint the fence so that they don't have to treat me as an employee. The other places in my industry where I could work are pulling the same scam. I'd be much better off with representation.
You said that unions make companies pay more for labor. I don't necessarily think it's so bad for workers to band together to collectivize their labor and bargaining power to argue and obtain more for their labor. It's their labor. The company is buying their labor. People should get as much as they possibly can get for their labor.
That's not what is happening, speaking of "spare me the talking points"... good golly are you that afraid to take responsibility for your own life and destiny? You want Unions to give you cushy jobs, Government to pay for your healthcare... is there anything you want responsibility for?Spare me the talking points. My employer is allowed to pretend that I am just there for the day to paint the fence so that they don't have to treat me as an employee. The other places in my industry where I could work are pulling the same scam. I'd be much better off with representation.
You said that unions make companies pay more for labor. I don't necessarily think it's so bad for workers to band together to collectivize their labor and bargaining power to argue and obtain more for their labor. It's their labor. The company is buying their labor. People should get as much as they possibly can get for their labor.
But,but ,but how are the corporations supposed to trickle their profits on the little people if the little people are sharing in the profits up front???
Rules negotiated by workers with employers.
Without those negotiations workers have no voice in working conditions, pay, hours, etc...
Untrue. Simply avail oneself to a shop that isn't a union shop. No fuss, no muss.
Spare me the talking points. My employer is allowed to pretend that I am just there for the day to paint the fence so that they don't have to treat me as an employee. The other places in my industry where I could work are pulling the same scam. I'd be much better off with representation.
I work in advanced science and have two degrees. Everything has become fire at will contract work for lower pay. Raises barely keep up with inflation. We stay here because of family. Otherwise, I'd probably transfer to another state or country. Right to work for less is a scam.
Unions do make labor cost more. And that isn't always a good thing, because if they business becomes uncompetitive due to high labor costs, the business folds or moves where labor is cheaper. That's problem you are ignoring, businesses can and do move when costs become too high.
I have no problem with voluntary unions. It's the forced union representation that is the problem. Do try to not make claims for me I did not make. I just find that unions tend to be harmful to business, but if you CHOOSE to be a union stooge that's on you.
Technically they don't HAVE to join the union, semantics aside, they are forced to pay dues and representation fees, even if they don't "join" in a non-RTW state. They still have to pay and be subject to the unions rules, just without the right to have a say in the union.
RTW States, because you aren't forced to join a group and pay them against your will. JUST to have a job.
And that's the scary truth that big-corporation backers want to avoid. Unions served a purpose, and still do. I see Unions much as I see government. Necessary, yes, but they need to be regulated and limited on some level as well. We've got the 40 hour work week, labor laws, employer based health coverage, and all sorts of other things that have become standard now because unions once fought for them.
As with anything, it can go too far, but without Unions, our work-life would look very different from where it stands today. Even those of us not in unions have benefited from them.
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