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Democrats Grapple with Disunity, Messaging Woes, and a Leadership Vacuum

trixare4kids

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Tampa Free Press

Not really a Chuck Todd fan, but as the saying goes, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. It's good to see Todd come to the realization that orange man bad does not work.

Former NBC News chief political analyst Chuck Todd warned during a Thursday interview that it is problematic for Democrats that they are apparently aligned only by their contempt for President Donald Trump.

During the 2024 presidential election, former Vice President Kamala Harris campaigned with former Republican Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, seemingly in an effort to broaden her coalition and defeat Trump. Journalist Charlie Rose, on his YouTube channel, asked Todd whether the Democratic Party was “left of center,” prompting Todd to say the party has an “identity crisis” and that its anti-Trump “tent” is complicated to maintain.

“I think it’s just a collection of people that don’t like Trump right now. And that served them well in ’20. But imagine trying to create a big tent that had AOC [Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] and [Former Republican Ohio Gov.] John Kasich in it. Or Liz Cheney and AOC,” Todd said. “You’re sort of going to rip a hole in the middle as you’re trying to stretch that tent. And I think that that’s why they sort of have lost their — they’re just — it feels like they’re way too poll tested. It feels like that they’re trying so hard to sort of keep their suburban voters. And that’s been part of their problem. The growth in the Democratic electorate is in the suburbs, wealthy suburbs.”

“And so the growth of the Republican electorate has been in the working-class excerpts and actually even in working-class, urban areas. And I think that that’s been their disconnect is that their voters are in one place, their messaging is in another, but then when they try to message to their suburban voters, they sort of lost touch to their with their working-class roots,” he continued. “So I think that’s been part of the problem is that their coalition — look, I think both parties’ coalitions are too big. We would probably be a better democracy if we could be and have four major parties, but our system just doesn’t support that.”
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trixare4kids said:
Tampa Free Press

Not really a Chuck Todd fan, but as the saying goes, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. It's good to see Todd come to the realization that orange man bad does not work.
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He's clearly not the first person to say this, but he'll get no argument from me. "Orange man is bad" could have worked if they had offered an alternative. But Harris and the Dems did not give the voters an alternative.

Right now, a poll shows that 64 percent of the country support giving most undocumented immigrants a pathway to legal status. Only 31% support deportations.

They should have run on that and explained to the public that the deportation alternative meant chaos, division, expense and remarkable cruelty.

Thus "Orange man bad."
 
Lycanthrope said:
He ain't wrong. Democratic Party needs to realize that thisnis Trump's 'Murica - crude and stupid wins, not intelligence and practicality.
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Populism sells. For good reason. It's what the mainstream wants. Unfortunately nobody wants to or can deliver. But some are always fooled by pandering.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Democrats don't know how to do anything but lie and exaggerate and spread total bullshit that harms the country. Because they have no leadership, the people in charge are nut cases from the far far left and the old timers can't control the mob anymore.
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Can be easily said of MAGA at the moment.
 
trixare4kids said:
Tampa Free Press

Not really a Chuck Todd fan, but as the saying goes, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. It's good to see Todd come to the realization that orange man bad does not work.
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The so-called "intelligent" ones, touting themselves as "protectors of democracy" are in reality a bunch of obsessed nitwits without a functioning brain within the entire bunch. All they have is the "hatred of anything Trump", clearly seen by everyone else as a deranged obsession. It's created a radical faction without any true leaders, just mob mentality and have become anti-America, anti-democracy in almost everything they do and support.

They simply cannot get away from Trump-train of hatred, conquered by fear and loathing, leaders are the nuttiest of the nuttier, lol. Already trying to impeach Trump again, riding the bus of calling them Nazi's, etc., they look so crazy it's surreal.
 
And yet, Dems are outperforming 2024 by an average of 15.4% across 34 special elections this year.

MAGA are repeating Biden's mistakes of ignoring the unpopularity of their policies. Dems are engaged in excessive handwringing, as is traditional for them.
 
Jetboogieman said:
If America was a rational place.

It would also be united in its contempt for Donald Trump.

It's amazing that Standing for Democracy and Decency is a "messaging woe".
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I am increasingly of the belief that consumerism is the chief value in our society and that it underlies our politics. Those who have means want more corporatism and consumer power; those without means are angry they can't keep up, go into debt trying to, and get angry at whoever they can beat up on and whoever's in power when they realize how screwed they are.
 
The Democrats intentionally sawed off the trunk of their own tree way back in 2008, when they purposefully disbanded Organizing for America. A political party is about communication. They sacrificed that communication because the Administrator Caste people in charge decided it was too embarrassing to have some nobodies on forums calling for marijuana legalization. They instead decided to bet everything on a sterile, temporarily effective tactic of putting all their trust in NGP-VAN's computer systems and their ability to send out people, not to talk - NEVER to talk - but only to remind Democratic voters to vote, based on the party they remembered from way back. And that did work... until people lost track of what they were supposed to remember.

There may be a way to fix this. We grit our teeth and put up with Kennedy disbanding the vaccine and health infrastructure, wait for avian flu and New Covid to kill 50% or 80% or 99.99% of the American people, then maybe those left will either value one another enough to talk, or be unable to stop Latin Americans with funny democratic ideals and Cuban vaccinations from pouring in and taking over the country. I wouldn't say that's the best plan, but it's the only one I see people working on.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Democrats don't know how to do anything but lie and exaggerate and spread total bullshit that harms the country. Because they have no leadership, the people in charge are nut cases from the far far left and the old timers can't control the mob anymore.
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Here is the problem:

Americans are stupid and disengaged from politics. And have the attention span of an ADHD kid at a carnival.

Trump sold bumper sticker level promises…a “brand” and had his own label in “MAGA”.

Simple sells to an ignorant electorate. Branding sells to people inundated with branding every minute of their day. Slogans sell to people with the attention span of a few hundred characters on a screen 🤷‍♀️

Democrats - like Harris - tried to actually explain policy and laws and how policies and laws will benefit an array of individuals. They try to explain the mechanisms, the laws, the implications - and it’s over the heads of many people. It is outside their grasp. They want a bumper sticker summary. “Idiots guide to who to vote for” level shit.

That segment of the population is either incapable of understanding or uninterested in policy and laws. They don’t have time for it, they don’t understand it, they aren’t inspired by it.

They understand “feelings” - they want to “feel” represented, even if the politician doesn’t represent them or would work in interests against them - they want to “feel” attraction and “seen/heard”

Trump made disenfranchised people feel “heard” - even if he was lying directly to them or talking about harming them and their family, friends and business - they felt heard/seen. Even if that was hating on people they also hated on.


🤷‍♀️. Many - as polls reflect - have buyers remorse (again, typical with Trump)

The man is a good marketer 🤷‍♀️. Horrible politician, but damn good marketing and brand
 
Jetboogieman said:
If America was a rational place.
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Parts are still rational
Jetboogieman said:
It would also be united in its contempt for Donald Trump.
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How do you grasp the chaos that's going on? I suspect it is a cleverly planned chaos. MAGAs are obviously cheering because it hasn't affected them, yet, but eventually it will.
Jetboogieman said:
It's amazing that Standing for Democracy and Decency is a "messaging woe".
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Sad, isn't it?
 
Integrityrespec said:
Democrats don't know how to do anything but lie and exaggerate and spread total bullshit that harms the country. Because they have no leadership, the people in charge are nut cases from the far far left and the old timers can't control the mob anymore.
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Speaking of nut cases. What's your orange Jesus up to today. Golfing probably. Being a malignant narcissist scumbag piece of shit liar grifter rapist seditionist felon serial adulterer and tax cheat all the time.
 
redbeer said:
The so-called "intelligent" ones, touting themselves as "protectors of democracy" are in reality a bunch of obsessed nitwits without a functioning brain within the entire bunch. All they have is the "hatred of anything Trump", clearly seen by everyone else as a deranged obsession. It's created a radical faction without any true leaders, just mob mentality and have become anti-America, anti-democracy in almost everything they do and support.
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redbeer said:
They simply cannot get away from Trump-train of hatred, conquered by fear and loathing, leaders are the nuttiest of the nuttier, lol. Already trying to impeach Trump again, riding the bus of calling them Nazi's, etc., they look so crazy it's surreal.
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Lol, don't we know?
 
Jetboogieman said:
If America was a rational place.

It would also be united in its contempt for Donald Trump.

It's amazing that Standing for Democracy and Decency is a "messaging woe".
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MAGAs have the balls. Democrats have the brains.

It is easier for Democrats to grow a pair of balls than it is for MAGAs to suddenly develop intellect.

As Trump's mental health condition deteriorates rapidly, almost daily, the wise and learned MAGAs are beginning to distance themselves from the inevitable train wreck in the Oval Office.

Democrats continue to trip on their own dicks as they look for unity and strength within the party.

The only sure bet at this point is that Donald Trump will not finish his term in the White House. He will be removed by Congress or removed by his Cabinet, incompetence in either case.
 
It is amusing to see MAGAs apply their own sick political instincts to "solving" the problems of the democrats. It's absolutely beyond their comprehension that many people like the idea that their party can be home to both AOC and Liz Cheney, with neither being required to give up their positions to lick the shoes of their "leader".
 
Risky Thicket said:
MAGAs have the balls. Democrats have the brains.

It is easier for Democrats to grow a pair of balls than it is for MAGAs to suddenly develop intellect.

As Trump's mental health condition deteriorates rapidly, almost daily, the wise and learned MAGAs are beginning to distance themselves from the inevitable train wreck in the Oval Office.

Democrats continue to trip on their own dicks as they look for unity and strength within the party.

The only sure bet at this point is that Donald Trump will not finish his term in the White House. He will be removed by Congress or removed by his Cabinet, incompetence in either case.
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I thought that the Democrats said that we are all equal.
Now you are saying that the Democrats are intellectually superior.
Are the Democrats Supremacists?
Actually the Radical Left claiming intellectual superiority is hilarious.
 
Buster Keaton said:
I thought that the Democrats said that we are all equal.
Now you are saying that the Democrats are intellectually superior.
Are the Democrats Supremacists?
Actually the Radical Left claiming intellectual superiority is hilarious.
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The argument is over your head.

Donald Trump and the gaggle of suckers, dummies and fools who have become his cultists and/or opportunists are in it for their own personal desires.

Generally MAGAs are not able or willing to present cogent documented arguments here on DP. There are conservatives here that are respected and appreciated but they are few.

Are Democrats intellectually superior? They appear to be. They are more educated. They support education.

I'm an independent.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Democrats don't know how to do anything but lie and exaggerate and spread total bullshit that harms the country. Because they have no leadership, the people in charge are nut cases from the far far left and the old timers can't control the mob anymore.
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God this is woefully bad. What Democrats are going through is the kind of change that happens to political parties at some point. The question is more about how quickly they can recover and find the messaging that resonates with a larger part of the electorate. There was a point in time when the GOP was in the wilderness as well, and one can argue the non MAGAGOP is in one right now.
 
Risky Thicket said:
The argument is over your head.

Donald Trump and the gaggle of suckers, dummies and fools who have become his cultists and/or opportunists are in it for their own personal desires.

Generally MAGAs are not able or willing to present cogent documented arguments here on DP. There are conservatives here that are respected and appreciated but they are few.

Are Democrats intellectually superior? They appear to be. They are more educated. They support education.

I'm an independent.
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A lot of the Democrat Voters are fools and fanatics who do not have the intellectual capacity to understand that their ignorance and hate is being exploited by the greedy corrupt Democrat politicians.
The Democrat politicians are arrogant elitist who brand the mainstream voters with offensive epithets, and then they are baffled as to why the people who they hate won't vote for them.
But this is all probably "over your head".

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