Democrats Cite Report On Troop Cuts in Iraq

[hipsterdufus]

So let me get this straight.

Dems called for a measured redeployment in Iraq and are called " cut and runners" "traitors" on the floor of the House , Senate and in the Corporate media.

Meanwhile, Gen. Casey makes a plan that's similar to the Feingold - Kerry plan, and the VP in Iraq calls for US troop withdrawal all in the same time frame.

Will the GOP now Swift Boat General Casey? The VP of Iraq? Will Cheney call Gen.Casey a traitor?

Democrats Cite Report On Troop Cuts in Iraq
Pentagon Plan Like Theirs, Senators Say

By Michael Abramowitz and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, June 26, 2006; Page A01

Senate Democrats reacted angrily yesterday to a report that the U.S. commander in Iraq had privately presented a plan for significant troop reductions in the same week they came under attack by Republicans for trying to set a timetable for withdrawal.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said that the plan attributed to Gen. George W. Casey resembles the thinking of many Democrats who voted for a nonbinding resolution to begin a troop drawdown in December. That resolution was defeated Thursday on a largely party-line vote in the Senate.


"That means the only people who have fought us and fought us against the timetable, the only ones still saying there shouldn't be a timetable really are the Republicans in the United States Senate and in the Congress," Boxer said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "Now it turns out we're in sync with General Casey."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/25/AR2006062500764.html?nav=rss_nation

 

[Goobieman]

Lets see:

Democats are trying to create a legislative timetable for withdrawing troops, based on the calendar, not on events.

Republicans are arguing that any troop reduction ust be event driven, not celendar driven, and as such, there can be no arbitrary timetable.

The General in charge comes up with an event driven proposal for pulling out some troops, based on events.


Not sure why the Dems are upset.

 

[BWG]

It just shows more of the incompetence of this administration. What does 'stay the course' mean? It means whatever this administration wants it to mean. When you make up your own definitions and explanations, how can you ever be wrong? Whatever the latest memo says is how I'll think..doopdeepdoop. silly cons.

As any boater can tell you, no matter where you have the rudder positioned, you have to mindful of other factors, such as the tide, current and wind in order to successfully complete your course.

 

[Goobieman]

It just shows more of the incompetence of this administration. What does 'stay the course' mean? It means whatever this administration wants it to mean. When you make up your own definitions and explanations, how can you ever be

The administration has laid out in fair detail their plan for success in Iraq. It is that course on which the Adminstration intends to stay. This should be clear to anyone who actually pays attention...

As any boater can tell you, no matter where you have the rudder positioned, you have to mindful of other factors, such as the tide, current and wind in order to successfully complete your course.

And, thus, your implication that we haven't made an corrections to sail or rudder in order to stay said course.

What, exactly, makes you say that?

 

[BWG]

Democats are trying to create a legislative timetable for withdrawing troops, based on the calendar, not on events.

The Sen. Carl M. Levin amendment calls on President Bush to "begin the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq this year" and to give Congress a plan by the end of the year with "estimated dates" for the continued withdrawal of U.S. troops. It does not, however, set a date by which U.S. forces must be withdrawn from Iraq.

And, thus, your implication that we haven't made an corrections to sail or rudder in order to stay said course.

What, exactly, makes you say that?

What is 'the course' this week? After 3 years there is a small 'green zone' that can't be ventured beyond without armed guards. The President of the United States has to make a dive landing in the middle of the night with no lights into a U.S. occupied country. Several Iraq troop brigades are certified class 1 (able to stand on their own). Good news, our guys can come home (remember..as they stand up, our guys come home)! Then all but one is reclassified back to 2 or 3. Where is the improvment? What we're doing isn't working, why not change to something that will work?

 

[Goobieman]

The Sen. Carl M. Levin amendment calls on President Bush to "begin the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq this year" and to give Congress a plan by the end of the year with "estimated dates" for the continued withdrawal of U.S. troops. It does not, however, set a date by which U.S. forces must be withdrawn from Iraq.

Calendar, not event driven. That's what I said.

What is 'the course' this week?

Same as it was when it was released
Educate yourself:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html

After 3 years there is a small 'green zone' that can't be ventured beyond without armed guards.

This is a statement of melodrama, hyperbole and willful ignorance.

Several Iraq troop brigades are certified class 1 (able to stand on their own).

I thought the only progress we;ve made was the Green Zone.
Self-contradiction, anyone?

 

[Navy Pride]

Meanwhile, Gen. Casey makes a plan that's similar to the Feingold - Kerry plan, and the VP in Iraq calls for US troop withdrawal all in the same time frame

Its amazing how you liberals take General Casey's words out of context........He actually said if the Iraqis can stand up and fill the vote left by troops leave then that would be a possibility............


Huge difference hips..........Nice try though......

 

[Stinger]

The Sen. Carl M. Levin amendment calls on President Bush to "begin the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq this year"

And he was elected Commander in Chief when? And his background in military strategy is what exactly?

and to give Congress a plan by the end of the year with "estimated dates" for the continued withdrawal of U.S. troops. It does not, however, set a date by which U.S. forces must be withdrawn from Iraq.

If he had been listen, you too for that matter, you would know what the plan is to withdraw troops. It is not date specific, correctly so.

What we're doing isn't working, why not change to something that will work?

And cutting and running would be better how?

 

[Stinger]

So let me get this straight.

Dems called for a measured redeployment in Iraq and are called " cut and runners" "traitors" on the floor of the House , Senate and in the Corporate media.

When they are doing so solely on the basis of getting out no matter what, yes that is cutting and running.

And where do they plan to "redeploy" anyway?

Everyone wants our presence there to end, as quickly as possible. The difference is the Dems want to do it and fail in the process so they can hold it over the Republicans in the next election.

 

[BWG]

Calendar, not event driven. That's what I said.

"It does not, however, set a date by which U.S. forces must be withdrawn from Iraq."- Levin's amendment

Setting a date is calendar driven. NOT setting a date is NOT calendar driven.

The following document articulates the broad strategy

Like I said, "What does 'stay the course' mean? It means whatever this administration wants it to mean. When you make up your own definitions and explanations, how can you ever be wrong?"

After 3 years there is a small 'green zone' that can't be ventured beyond without armed guards.

This is a statement of melodrama, hyperbole and willful ignorance.

Are you saying people like, oh say, reporters, contractors doing repair work, supply deliveries are doing their jobs outside the 'green zone' without security?

I thought the only progress we;ve made was the Green Zone.
Self-contradiction, anyone?

And you can show where I said the 'green zone' is the only progress we've made? In addition I don't consider the 'green zone' progress!!

And he was elected Commander in Chief when?

Since when did you have to be the CiC to make an amendment?

And his background in military strategy is what exactly?

???? This has to do with this amendment, how?

It is not date specific, correctly so.

Neither is Sen. Levin's amendment - "It does not, however, set a date.." Your point?

What we're doing isn't working, why not change to something that will work?

And cutting and running would be better how?

Show me where I said 'cut and run'!!!!!! If you are going to quote me at least be honest and not infer or outright lie about what I said!!!

 

[Navy Pride]

Since General Casey did not say that the only criteria was to set dates this whole thread is bogu...........

 

[Stinger]

The Sen. Carl M. Levin amendment calls on President Bush to "begin the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq this year" /quote]

And Bush is the Commander in Chief and he does not answer to Levin and his demands.

and to give Congress a plan by the end of the year with

Which he is under no requirement to do but does so quite frenquently in his speeches and consultations with them. Levin like anyone else who is paying attention is fully aware of what the plans are.

"estimated dates" for the continued withdrawal of U.S. troops.

As soon as possible, what doesn't he understand.

It does not, however, set a date by which U.S. forces must be withdrawn from Iraq.

You just gave to examples of how it sets dates, it demands it by the end of the year, that is Dec. 31, 2006. And then demands "estimated dates".

What is 'the course' this week?

Your having to ask is only by your own negligence in paying attention. But it is the same course as last week and last month and last year which has seen the new government installed and now even the Sunni's calling for a cease-fire and an ending of hostilities.

We are at a very critical juncture here. We have killed their leader in Iraq. We have captured more documents which further shows they are in disarray, they are disillusioned, the don't think they can survive and win if we stay the course. We have the Sunni's saying the insurgency has to end, it is time to for them to join in the political process and end the violence.

And we get this rhetoric from the Democrats that we are losing and there is no hope and only they can save us. It is totally irresponsible on their part and proves they should never ever be trusted with the security of our country or given the task to defeat our enemies.