Democratic whistleblower told FBI that Adam Schiff approved classified leaks to target Trump

[mrjurrs]

Trump pardoned pretty much everyone.
Nobody was actually convicted of a crime to do with this Russia conspiracy theory. It was all stuff that was ancillary.

Weak tea.

 

[soap box]

Missing the whole point.

Since there was no Trump/Russia collusion, and there was never any evidence that it might have existed, why the criminal and intelligence investigations?

The answer is what I said earlier-- The Obama Admin criminal/intelligence services were put into the service of the Clinton campaign.
That was the problem.

The documents that have been released recently simply reinforces this.

I forgot this from yesterday. You're saying the whole IC apparatus was working for Clinton?

 

[Athanasius68]

I asked for examples. I'm left to guess what you mean. Ok. I'm going to say what I think you're saying and you tell me if I understand you.

Clinton publicly, strongly suggested that Trump colluded with the Russians. Clapper believed her.... And let her be the boss. Clapper let Clinton tell the IC what and who to investigate and what conclude and include in the ICA.


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When you reply, you could make the connection to show that the recent declassified docs reinforce that.

Not literally, but figuratively.

We already know this from the Durham Report. The Democratic lawfirm used its influence with former employees who were now (or at least then) employees of the FBI, to peddle the story.
Things went off from there.
That was the problem.

What has been recently released are not forgeries. They simply support the the above report.

This whole thing, the 'collusion narrative' was not driven by the rank and file, but by the leadership-- the Brennans, the Comey's.

 

[soap box]

Not literally, but figuratively.

We already know this from the Durham Report. The Democratic lawfirm used its influence with former employees who were now (or at least then) employees of the FBI, to peddle the story.
Things went off from there.
That was the problem.

What you've just cited is close to what I was claiming pages ago. You're talking about a legitimate issue in the media, public opinion sphere.

Durham got one conviction. I think.

Clinton +IC collusion = Trump + Russia collusion

What you claim about Trump and collusion with Russia is exactly what I claim about Clinton and collusion with the IC.

What has been recently released are not forgeries. They simply support the the above report.

I don't think the Durham annex was a forgery since it was contemporaneously verified. But anything in the burn bags room need independent verification because, according to Patel, no one knew what was there which means the chain of custody would need to be established. The whistleblower is a scam.

This whole thing, the 'collusion narrative' was not driven by the rank and file, but by the leadership-- the Brennans, the Comey's.

Naturally, a leader would engage in leading. Obama gets to make the call and he said tell the people what we can be sure about. I kept hearing so much about the reach of executive authority of all in his realm of power, surely Obama gets to make sure the truth about the election is told. That's a noble cause to insist on the truth and Obama was adamantine.

 

[Athanasius68]

What you've just cited is close to what I was claiming pages ago. You're talking about a legitimate issue in the media, public opinion sphere.

Involving the DOJ or the intelligence services was not legitimate.

Naturally, a leader would engage in leading. Obama gets to make the call and he said tell the people what we can be sure about. I kept hearing so much about the reach of executive authority of all in his realm of power, surely Obama gets to make sure the truth about the election is told. That's a noble cause to insist on the truth and Obama was adamantine.

Obama knew that this was a Clinton campaign narrative and did not tell the truth about it.

 

[soap box]

Involving the DOJ or the intelligence services was not legitimate.

When did this happen? When did they involve themselves in the campaign?

Obama knew that this was a Clinton campaign narrative and did not tell the truth about it.

Pfft

If the IC and Obama were working/colluding with Clinton, why didn't they agree with her that they found no proof that the trump campaign had cooperated with Russia?

They didn't agree with her about that. Why not?

You're addressing the influence of the media and public opinion, but what's criminal about any of this?

Blaming Clinton for the media coverage is a fair assessment. Blaming her and the media for leading people to believe that trump cooperated with the Russians is also fair. I would insert the fact here that Obama never said or implied that he believed the trump campaign was in collusion.


You didn't retort about the issue of executive authority. The president has the authority to tell the IC to make the report real. He wanted it to be direct and clear. He's the president.

All the other findings in the ICA overlapped with claims Clinton made on the campaign trail. Of course they were aware of the same intelligence from the IC data as they were briefed daily as candidates. But the IC didn't agree with collusion.



That's why I'm asking what's the law say? That's why I'm asking what's the crime.

Beside ALL that, I want to be the lawyer who argues in defense of former president Obama before the Supreme Court that it was necessary to tell the American people the truth about Russian interference and he did so because it was a matter of national security and an attempt to interfere with our right to vote.



You still have no example of this. Why not? It could come in the form of saying Clinton claimed XYZ and the ICA lied about it. I don't see anything untrue in the 2017 ICA.



What makes you say Clinton and her campaign were colluding with Clapper, Comey, the IC, Obama? Isn't there something you could point to that shows Clinton and Obama did whatever?