Democratic Senators abuse power to hinder gun owners.

[natman]

Both UPS and FedEx have recently announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.

This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf

The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:

Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.

The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a...

www.atf.gov

If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong arming shipping companies to change their policies and misrepresenting the law to do it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Both UPS and FedEx have recently announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.

This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf

The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:

Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.

The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a...

www.atf.gov

If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong arming shipping companies to change their policies and misrepresenting the law to do it.

They know it doesn't reduce crime it's not about reducing crime and it's about reducing lawful ownership.

They know that if they got their way and I'm talking about all politicians Republicans too that those guns would be pointed at them. What you doing said is just trying to private carrier.

 

[eohrnberger]

They know it doesn't reduce crime it's not about reducing crime and it's about reducing lawful ownership.

Isn't 'lawful firearm ownership' a Constitutional 2A right?

Unlike the left's invented and manufactured rights?

They know that if they got their way and I'm talking about all politicians Republicans too that those guns would be pointed at them. What you doing said is just trying to private carrier.

The government, the federal government in particular and the political elites at the top of that list, needs to come back to the realization that they work for the people and not for their own interests and pocket lining.

Congress' About-Face On Stock Trading Ban Hurts Americans' Trust In Government

Members of Congress have an unfair advantage when it comes to trading stocks. Here are the details.

www.forbes.com

 

[CLAX1911]

Isn't 'lawful firearm ownership' a Constitutional 2A right?

yeah but that doesn't stop tyrants and they're lackeys from attempting to interfere with rights.

Unlike the left's invented and manufactured rights?


The government, the federal government in particular and the political elites at the top of that list, needs to come back to the realization that they work for the people and not for their own interests and pocket lining.

Congress' About-Face On Stock Trading Ban Hurts Americans' Trust In Government

Members of Congress have an unfair advantage when it comes to trading stocks. Here are the details.

www.forbes.com

Yeah that Heller decision really shoots a hole in this whole agenda.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Both UPS and FedEx have recently announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.

This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf

The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:

Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.

The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a...

www.atf.gov

If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong arming shipping companies to change their policies and misrepresenting the law to do it.

Good deal!
We have to use every tool in the toolbox to get these Gun Nuts up against the wall, imo.
I support these Democrat Senators.
BAN. THEM. ALL.
(crime will fall)

 

[Phys251]

Both UPS and FedEx have recently announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.

This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf

The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:

Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.

The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a...

www.atf.gov

If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong arming shipping companies to change their policies and misrepresenting the law to do it.

Where are UPS and FedEx required by law to ship firearms?

 

[Rucker61]

Where are UPS and FedEx required by law to ship firearms?

They didn't seem to have a problem with shipping firearms until the government lied to them.

 

[Phys251]

They didn't seem to have a problem with shipping firearms until the government lied to them.

That accusation doesn't answer my question.

 

[Rucker61]

That accusation doesn't answer my question.

Your question was a non sequitur.

 

[Phys251]

Your question was a non sequitur.

Wrong. FedEx and UPS are private corporations, are they not? So who's to say what they must ship?

 

[eohrnberger]

yeah but that doesn't stop tyrants and they're lackeys from attempting to interfere with rights.

Quite true.

Yeah that Heller decision really shoots a hole in this whole agenda.

Not sure how the Heller decision plays into Congress' predilection for insider trading, nor any curbing of that.

Can you please elaborate?

 

[Rucker61]

Wrong. FedEx and UPS are private corporations, are they not? So who's to say what they must ship?

The topic is about what they were falsely told not to ship under penalty of law. It's about the government lying. Do you have a problem with members of the government lying to the public?

They were already willing to ship firearms.

 

[Phys251]

The topic is about what they were falsely told not to ship under penalty of law. It's about the government lying. Do you have a problem with members of the government lying to the public?

They were already willing to ship firearms.

Ah, I see your point. I need to look into this.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers - known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) - can ship a firearm across state lines.

Natman: The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.

May a non-licensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)]

Exactly how is writing a letter with misinformation abusing their power? How is a mail packages carrier totally agreeing with these five Senators on what should be a federal law an abuse of power by the letter authors?

 

[Rucker61]

Exactly how is writing a letter with misinformation abusing their power? How is a mail packages carrier totally agreeing with these five Senators on what should be a federal law an abuse of power by the letter authors?

Because they flat-out deliberately lied for no good reason.

 

[Utility Man]

".....law enforcement reportedly recovered more
than 6,600 guns used in crimes that were traced back to dealers who claimed to have never received them and never reported the theft or loss to law enforcement......"

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf

Cons love it when guns are stolen during shipment (end up in the hands of criminals) and not reported, they want everyone to be equally able to not report their lost and stolen firearms.

 

[CLAX1911]

Quite true.


Not sure how the Heller decision plays into Congress' predilection for insider trading, nor any curbing of that.

Can you please elaborate?

I thought we were talking about gun rights

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Isn't lawful firearm ownership' a constitutional 2A right?

Only as long as people obey all gun laws, of course. The Fourth Amendment takes that right away from all gun crime suspects.

Unlike the left's invented and manufactured rights?

Everyone knows Democrats did not invent and manufacture any gun rights because what they are doing is taking them away. Use your head.

 

[natman]

Exactly how is writing a letter with misinformation abusing their power? How is a mail packages carrier totally agreeing with these five Senators on what should be a federal law an abuse of power by the letter authors?

On two counts. One is that if they want to change how things are done, they should change the law. If they can't get enough support from the rest of the people's elected representatives to get a new law through the House and the Senate and then signed by the President, then things don't change. That's how democracy is supposed to work.

The second is misrepresenting what the existing law is. That's just irresponsible.

 

[Nickyjo]

Both UPS and FedEx have recently announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.

This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf

The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:

Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.

The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a...

www.atf.gov

If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong arming shipping companies to change their policies and misrepresenting the law to do it.

True, there’s a scarcity of guns in the US, and this rule will make it even harder to find them. Solution: Get a license. Ship all the guns you want.

 

[Rucker61]

True, there’s a scarcity of guns in the US, and this rule will make it even harder to find them. Solution: Get a license. Ship all the guns you want.

The law only allows non-licensees to ship to licensees and manufacturers. Why was this a problem?
Do you have an issue with US Senators lying to push agenda?

 

[natman]

True, there’s a scarcity of guns in the US, and this rule will make it even harder to find them. Solution: Get a license. Ship all the guns you want.

Gee, I wish it were that easy. Getting a license requires getting a business license, and where I live in California it would be nearly impossible to get a business license for a "gun store" where I live. Then I'd have to put up with the local paper doxing me by printing a list of all FFLs in the county with headlines like "Is there a gun dealer in YOUR neighborhood? Threat or Menace?". Not to mention the odds of ATF issuing a license without a brick and mortar store are iffy.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

If they want to change how things are done, they should change the law. If they can't get enough support from the rest of the people's elected representatives to get a new law through the House and the Senate and then signed by the President, then things don't change. That's how democracy is supposed to work.

True, but there is no chance of that happening with only 48 real Democrats in the Senate and the House of Representatives expected to turn red. If they were just making suggestions for a corporate policy change without lying about the law, would you be happy?

 

[natman]

True, but there is no chance of that happening with only 48 real Democrats in the Senate and the House of Representatives expected to turn red. If they were just making suggestions for a corporate policy change without lying about the law, would you be happy?

No. Again, if they can't get enough support in Congress to pass a new law, then they have no business trying to undermine the will of the people by implementing a de facto new law by strong arming shipping companies.

 

[Rucker61]

True, but there is no chance of that happening with only 48 real Democrats in the Senate and the House of Representatives expected to turn red. If they were just making suggestions for a corporate policy change without lying about the law, would you be happy?

What would be their purpose in asking for a policy change, given that the only legal destinations for shipments are to FFLs and the manufacturer of the firearm.

The USPS does not ship handguns.