Democrat FURIOUS Over Democratic Party Failures QUITS, Explains Why He Did

[Kurmugeon]

Here is an excellent interview of a long term Democratic Party Member, who becomes fed-up with the Identity Politics, Hyperbolic Reactions,

He wrote a book on "Democrat to Deplorable", or his personal journey, and his analysis of the massive American Cultural Shift from the Progressive Agenda, to a much more JFK-era Democratic "Classic Liberalism" oriented outlook and agenda.


ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS2D0uR8duE&feature=youtu.be





What started with the election of President Trump, is much, much bigger than the Individual of Donald Trump. It will not end with the end of the Trump Presidency no matter how it ends.

The interviewer is professional, civil, polite, objective, open minded, and tolerant. The person being interviewed is also professional and civil.

At time mark 13:04, and for the next several minutes, they go into a discussion of antifa and Bernie supporters using open, blatant, Assault, Arson, Vandalism, and threats of murdering family members, as a form of political extortion to appear to support leftist causes, or be destroyed for failing to join into the supposedly Grass-Roots, massively common-American supported radical leftist agenda.

It is both a thought provoking discussion, but also a discussion of the warning sign to the deliberate efforts by the Far-Left to create an environment of fear, intimidation, and extreme political EXTORTION.

I have seen the same thing happening, or at least attempted on many online political forums as well, including this one! Not so much recently, particularly after the thread made by
Red Akston:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/anno...3191-request-return-civility-and-decency.html

"A request to return to civility and decency"


Which is certainly, to me, encouraging and much appreciated.


But, we've also seen a dramatic increase in Left-Oriented politicians demanding that anyone who DARES to disagree with their agenda, be PUNISHED and Legally Destroyed, if not outright Executed for expressing a believe outside of their opinions and ideals:

Bill Nye open to criminal charges, jail time for climate-change dissenters - Washington Times

'Too many white people in here': race row at US college - BBC News

The Drexel professor who tweeted, 'All I want for Christmas is white genocide' resigned | The Daily Pennsylvanian

The Conversation #MeToo Needs to Have - The Atlantic

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-t...-york-protesting-subway-fares-police-presence

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/...iolence-against-the-far-right-is-not-a-crime/

https://forward.com/opinion/428960/...we-need-to-take-left-wing-violence-seriously/

https://reason.com/2017/01/26/when-the-left-glorifies-violence-against/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-rifle-murder-20180313-story.html

https://griffintheatre.com.au/whats-on/kill-climate-deniers/



It becomes very clear that Americans, with their national founding in rebellion against English Tyranny, and War-of-Independence, are from a culture which will only put up with these kinds of dogmatic, political extortionist, intolerant and vindictive behaviors so far, and then they will respond in ways that will sever any relationship with the Abusers-of-Liberty.


The Antifa type of violence, vandalism and intolerant exclusion is most clearly NOT working for the Far-Left. It is turning a majority of Americans completely against them!

Yet they continue to escalate the behavior!

So, the question for the thread's debate:

Why?

If the Antifa, BLM, LaRaza, Radical Feminist, violence, intolerance and vandalism is only causing the Left to lose more and more support, WHY are they continuing to pursue it?

What do they hope to gain?

Is the Far-Left Attempting to start a Civil-War in America?

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[Phys251]

Is the Far-Left Attempting to start a Civil-War in America?

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No, but the far right sure wants to incite one.

 

[Mach]

An "excellent interview" from Kurmugeon? Not buying it.
TLDR

Also, more links are needed in the OP..12 is just shy of crazy town.

 

[Kurmugeon]

An "excellent interview" from Kurmugeon? Not buying it.
TLDR

Also, more links are needed in the OP..12 is just shy of crazy town.

If you only want Sneer and Smear, and not debate, or even read... why are you here?

To Troll?

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[Mach]

If you only want Sneer and Smear, and not debate, or even read... why are you here?
To Troll?-

It's as though you didn't even read your OP. It's a Democratic smear, by proxy (From you, a hardcore Democratic hater)

It is overly long, you're appealing to some nutter on youtube, you're linking 12 links including things like Daily caller...you really think that's how one debates specific, important issues? That's unfortunate.

Looks like you posted a Democratic smear, pure Republican propaganda to me. If you walked up to me and said all that crazy in the OP, on the street, I would side-step you and I hope most people would do the same.

 

[Kurmugeon]

No, but the far right sure wants to incite one.

In the OP, I have presented the following evidience which indicates that American radical-Left MIGHT be attempting to start a civil-war:

1] The interview in which Very Civil and thoughtful discussion goes over the Berkley CA businesses near a University are putting up signs stating they support a Leftist cause, and the reason given, when asked, is to prevent Violence, Assault, Vandalism and Arson. The business owner stated that they were being threatened in a scheme of political Extortion, to "Appear" to support particular Leftist causes, or suffer Violence and Property Destruction.

2] In the same interview, the person who wrote the book, "Democrat to Deplorable", goes over his personal journey from A long term Democratic Party member, to becoming a Trump Supporter and at least for the moment, given Trump belonging to the GOP, a Republican Voter. IAW, the radical actions of Political Extortion by the Radical Left, is driving support AWAY from the Left.

3] A long list of links to articles about the massive escalation in the attempts by Radical Leftist groups to use violence, Vandalism to achieve Political Extortion and Coerce Americans into supporting their agenda. Which, given the Book written about many voters, and the author leaving the Democratic Party, is clearly backfiring. So, the Behavior is increasing, even as it is shown to be not only failing to work, but massively backfiring.

4] Give the above three items, I ask the Question, WHY? What does the Left hope to gain from the Violence?!

So, I've made my case very logically as to why I suspect that the Radical Left may simply be attempting to start a Civil War.

As to your claim, which I have quoted, in this post, What Evidence to you have that the GOP, Trump, or anyone on the Libertarian Center (Independemt or converted-from-Democrat Trump Voters), might be attempting to start a Civil-War?

You state it as an obvious that the Right is attempting to Start a Civil-War.

If it is so clearly obvious, surely, you can provide some sort of PROOF!

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[bradt99]

You leftists don't want to give up identity politics and I don't understand why, because most Americans are repulsed by it, except for the Washington elite. Normal Americans who try to get by everyday are not even watching the news and are working from 9 to 5. You put identity politics in our movies now and it seems like there is no way out!! What happened to a good story line in a movie without all the politics involved? The 90s was the best time for movies. They had good story lines and none of the leftist garbage in them.

 

[Phys251]

In the OP, I have presented the following evidience which indicates that American radical-Left MIGHT be attempting to start a civil-war:

1] The interview in which Very Civil and thoughtful discussion goes over the Berkley CA businesses near a University are putting up signs stating they support a Leftist cause, and the reason given, when asked, is to prevent Violence, Assault, Vandalism and Arson. The business owner stated that they were being threatened in a scheme of political Extortion, to "Appear" to support particular Leftist causes, or suffer Violence and Property Destruction.

2] In the same interview, the person who wrote the book, "Democrat to Deplorable", goes over his personal journey from A long term Democratic Party member, to becoming a Trump Supporter and at least for the moment, given Trump belonging to the GOP, a Republican Voter. IAW, the radical actions of Political Extortion by the Radical Left, is driving support AWAY from the Left.

3] A long list of links to articles about the massive escalation in the attempts by Radical Leftist groups to use violence, Vandalism to achieve Political Extortion and Coerce Americans into supporting their agenda. Which, given the Book written about many voters, and the author leaving the Democratic Party, is clearly backfiring. So, the Behavior is increasing, even as it is shown to be not only failing to work, but massively backfiring.

4] Give the above three items, I ask the Question, WHY? What does the Left hope to gain from the Violence?!

So, I've made my case very logically as to why I suspect that the Radical Left may simply be attempting to start a Civil War.

As to your claim, which I have quoted, in this post, What Evidence to you have that the GOP, Trump, or anyone on the Libertarian Center (Independemt or converted-from-Democrat Trump Voters), might be attempting to start a Civil-War?

You state it as an obvious that the Right is attempting to Start a Civil-War.

If it is so clearly obvious, surely, you can provide some sort of PROOF!

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You've presented nothing but a bunch of strawmen and lame deflections. The fact that you even suggest that Antifa are liberals automatically disqualifies your argument.

And it's very interesting that you didn't even try to refute the claim that the far-right would actually be the ones to try to start Civil War II. We've already had right-wing terrorists--Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, abortion bombers--and militia people, some of whom are itching for a fight.

The truth is that your ilk wants Antifa to strike, they need Antifa to strike. That's because fascism requires a scapegoat to further its authoritarian takeover of our republic. Reichstag fire, anyone?

 

[Kurmugeon]

You leftists don't want to give up identity politics and I don't understand why, because most Americans are repulsed by it, except for the Washington elite. Normal Americans who try to get by everyday are not even watching the news and are working from 9 to 5. You put identity politics in our movies now and it seems like there is no way out!! What happened to a good story line in a movie without all the politics involved? The 90s was the best time for movies. They had good story lines and none of the leftist garbage in them.

Koodoos!

Well Stated.

As to why the Radical Left won't give up on Identity politics, I would ask, "why don't they give up on Violence and Vandalism to achieve Political Extortion!?"

Neither Work!

Unless your objective is something other than turning the hearts and minds of the majority of American in favor of your political party and agenda.

Which is exactly what brought me to the question in the OP, "is the Real Objective of the Radical Left, to start a Civil-War?"...

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[Kurmugeon]

I suppose there is another possible cause for the continued attempts to use violence, Vandalism, Arson, for Political Extortion...

There is an old Adage: "If the only tool in your toolbox is a Hammer, All the world becomes a nail!"

What if they have relied on inciting Hatred and Division, and using Political Extortion for so long, that they no longer have the innovation, and are too filled with hatred, to come up with anything better?


What if they continue down this pathway, not because they want a Civil-War, but they simply are inept, and have nothing else to offer?

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[Kurmugeon]

Which would be worse?

1] The Democrats and Far-Left deliberately attempting to incite a Civil-War, or...

2] The Democrats and Far-Left effectively inciting a Civil-war (or close to it), out of simple incompetence and being filled with Hatred ...

Which is worse?

In harmful effect to America and her people, does it matter?

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[Rogue Valley]

Which would be worse?

1] The Democrats and Far-Left deliberately attempting to incite a Civil-War, or...

2] The Democrats and Far-Left effectively inciting a Civil-war (or close to it), out of simple incompetence and being filled with Hatred ...

Which is worse?

In harmful effect to America and her people, does it matter?

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Which is worse?

The bigot Donald Trump or the white-supremacist Stephen Miller?