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Let me know whenever you choose to actually answer the question you copied, not the question you wanted to answer because the real answer was inconvenient for you.
Once more you avoid answering the question, and once more you affirm what I already knew to be true about Republicans and you.
I mean, aside from repeal or the medical device tax, what have Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare, which is going no where as long as Democrats are the majority power in government.
It's really not a difficult question. J-Mac already answered it, I'm just really curious as to why other people cannot be just as honest.
No, the fact he has not answered my question (like j-mac did) means it is avoidance.
No, what's REALLY happening is Conservative doesn't want to answer it because it makes his beloved team look like they are little more than children throwing a tantrum.
Because I know his avoidance has nothing to do with not understanding the answer, but rather not wanting to answer because of team politics.
No, you did not answer it. In fact, you are deliberately avoiding answering it.What part of this do you not understand, Obamacare is irreparable and has to be repealed to make it better. I answered your question, you didn't like the truth or cannot handle the truth.
Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.
This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.
Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter
Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress
I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.
What say you?
The Patriot Act. That literally took me less than 2 seconds to come up with.Can anyone come up with another piece of legislation this fat that someone said pass it then read it.
No, you did not answer it. In fact, you are deliberately avoiding answering it.
Repeal cannot be answer to my question, for reasons I've already explained. Once more, your avoidance tells me more than your words could. It amazes me the desperate lengths some people will go to protect their party.
I'm deliberately ignoring your opinion Obamacare is irreparable, because A) I don't believe your opinion and B) it's false to say you cannot suggest improvements for something which is broken.You are deliberately ignoring that Obamacare is irreparable so you want the Republicans to offer suggestions for improving a program that cannot be implemented successful and violates the promises Obama made.
That's just utter nonsense. Of course you do, otherwise you would not be working so hard to avoid answering my simple question. You have a clear interest in protecting the Republican party.Don't know but it seems you have a reading comprehension problem I don't have a party
Let me know whenever you choose to actually answer the question you copied, not the question you wanted to answer because the real answer was inconvenient for you.
Once more you avoid answering the question, and once more you affirm what I already knew to be true about Republicans and you.
I mean, aside from repeal or the medical device tax, what have Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare, which is going no where as long as Democrats are the majority power in government.
It's really not a difficult question. J-Mac already answered it, I'm just really curious as to why other people cannot be just as honest.
No, the fact he has not answered my question (like j-mac did) means it is avoidance.
No, what's REALLY happening is Conservative doesn't want to answer it because it makes his beloved team look like they are little more than children throwing a tantrum.
Because I know his avoidance has nothing to do with not understanding the answer, but rather not wanting to answer because of team politics.
That may be, but that wasn't my question. You are answering a question I did not ask.No, I directly answered the question; how would you fix Obamacare?
That wasn't my question either. What's sad about this is you even quoted my actual question.If your question actually was : What have the republicans pushed as Obamacare alternatives?
Nonsense, I framed it exactly how I intended it and I'm still waiting on Conservative (and apparently you now) to answer it.Well, that's part on your fault for not framing the question how you intended
Nonsense again. When you intentionally or unintentionally twist the question into something I did not ask, it is not me who is being dishonest.... Oh, and btw, when you ask a question and then list a series of answers that are Unnacceptable, it is you being dishonest. (though if you asked the question appropriately that wouldn't be an issue)
First, what was his answer? I missed that one...
Post #358j-mac said:But no, the repubs have not offered "fixes" to Obamacare, and in large part I think a that is due to the toxic relationship between the parties these days that is not helped by either side in this.
Except I am asking the question I intended and have continued to ask it. You even quoted it. The problem is not on my end, the problem is on the end of the person deliberately avoiding answering it.Second, a lack of skills with language getting you wrong answers to your question is not others "avoidance" just that you were not asking the question you intended to ask.
It cannot be more clear. I'll even repeat for you (which means I've posted the same question more than 5 times now, I believe).I dunno, 2 of 3 attempting an answer are "avoiding", more like not understanding what you wanted to ask.
It was me deciding not to allow you to sidetrack me from the issue I'm currently pushing. If you answer my question, then much like I told Conservative, I'll be happy to discuss the other things. But my answer comes first and I will not allow you or him/her to try and distract from answering.Consider how you simply did not even attempt to address half of the points I made just before... Was that avoidance and dodging as well?
The Patriot Act. That literally took me less than 2 seconds to come up with.
I'm deliberately ignoring your opinion Obamacare is irreparable, because A) I don't believe your opinion and B) it's false to say you cannot suggest improvements for something which is broken.
You're deliberately avoiding answering my question because we both know what the answer is. So just admit what we both know and then everything will be great.
That's just utter nonsense. Of course you do, otherwise you would not be working so hard to avoid answering my simple question. You have a clear interest in protecting the Republican party.
I find it amusing you constantly accuse me of being a liberal (when I clearly am not) and at the same time protest your obvious affiliation with the Republican party. I don't care what the facts are, I seek the facts and the truth. Your constant avoidance on this question clearly shows the difference between you and me.
When you say "2,400 page bill", I'm sure what you really mean is "906 page bill".That bill was a bit under 400 pages, not quite the 2,400 page bill that the ACA was.
No, it is the answer you want to give because you don't want to give the real answer.Unfortunately that is the answer to your question
When you say "2,400 page bill", I'm sure what you really mean is "906 page bill".
Link to the actual bill: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf
But you're bogging down in technicalities. You asked for a fat bill passed without having been read, and the Patriot Act qualifies.
No, it is the answer you want to give because you don't want to give the real answer.
Let me know if you change your mind and decide to actually answer the question I have asked.
:lamoTo answer your question about what the Republicans have proposed to improve Obamacare first has to assume that people believe that Obamacare is reparable and I don't accept that
:lamo
So just say what we both know, which is the Republicans have not offered any improvements. The WHY they haven't is irrelevant to my question, the fact is they have not (aside from the two I mentioned).
So just admit the answer is none. Prove you aren't simply a political team player. Admit the truth, which is the Republicans have not officially proposed any improvements to Obamacare, aside from the medical device tax (which has support on both sides) and a repeal, which is not going to happen.
Oh, and your assertion something broken cannot be improved is completely illogical.
What part of this do you not understand, Obamacare is irreparable and has to be repealed to make it better. I answered your question, you didn't like the truth or cannot handle the truth.
What is it about people like you who continue to buy the Obama lies and ignore the actual results?
I am part of NO team, I am a conservative, grew up a conservative Democrat until the party left me.
You don't get it and never will, Obamacare is a disaster, "your" President lied to you,
and the govt. that created a 17 trillion dollar debt somehow has changed and this legislation will lower costs and improve quality. How naïve and gullible people like you are but the question is why?
You can keep twisting all you want, but we have seen you are simply a political team player.I wish I could type slower so you would understand it, there are no improvements to be made to Obamacare other than gutting it and starting over. I have told you over and over again that there are none because the bill is irreparable.
logic, common sense, and now reading comprehension aren't strong traits of yours.
That may be, but that wasn't my question. You are answering a question I did not ask.
By the way, the first part of my post was not directed to you. It appears as if you're replying to me as if it was.
That wasn't my question either. What's sad about this is you even quoted my actual question.
Nonsense, I framed it exactly how I intended it and I'm still waiting on Conservative (and apparently you now) to answer it.
Nonsense again. When you intentionally or unintentionally twist the question into something I did not ask, it is not me who is being dishonest.
Post #358
The only reason I didn't quote him is to avoid having him to click in a thread to realize he's not needed.
Except I am asking the question I intended and have continued to ask it. You even quoted it. The problem is not on my end, the problem is on the end of the person deliberately avoiding answering it.
It cannot be more clear. I'll even repeat for you (which means I've posted the same question more than 5 times now, I believe).
"Aside from repeal or the medical device tax, what have Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare, which is going no where as long as Democrats are the majority power in government."
It was me deciding not to allow you to sidetrack me from the issue I'm currently pushing. If you answer my question, then much like I told Conservative, I'll be happy to discuss the other things. But my answer comes first and I will not allow you or him/her to try and distract from answering.
When you say "2,400 page bill", I'm sure what you really mean is "906 page bill".
Link to the actual law: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf
But you're bogging down in technicalities. You asked for a fat bill passed without having been read, and the Patriot Act qualifies.
No, it is the answer you want to give because you don't want to give the real answer.
:lamo
So just say what we both know, which is the Republicans have not offered any improvements. The WHY they haven't is irrelevant to my question, the fact is they have not (aside from the two I mentioned).
So just admit the answer is none. Prove you aren't simply a political team player. Admit the truth, which is the Republicans have not officially proposed any improvements to Obamacare, aside from the medical device tax (which has support on both sides) and a repeal, which is not going to happen.
Oh, and your assertion something broken cannot be improved is completely illogical.
No, it has not. It's been answered once and I'm not being disingenuous at all. You clearly have not followed the discussion, you didn't even know the question when you quoted it. And your nonsense you and Conservative are pushing that something which is flawed cannot have improvements defies logic.Ok, looked at it all and yes, you are being disingenuous... You are trying to have it both ways, and your question has been answered over a dozen times, Including the why of the answer...
My mistake. I simply quit reading your post when you posted the 2,400 number, which was inaccurate (as you later said).It's funny how you edit out the part of my post that clearly states exactly what your just said and make it look like you are teaching me something.
Likely because they knew reform was needed and their party leaders told them to.Why did the Democrats pass this legislation when they didn't know what was in it?
Absolutely. It should also be represented honestly to the American public, which both sides have failed to do.Shouldn't something as big as this be investigated thoroughly
No. Bipartisan support has nothing to do with our system of government, it is a cog which has been added by big money groups (currently Republicans and Democrats).with majority bipartisan support
No, if that is how we wished for our government to work, then we wouldn't need representatives. Instead, the American people elected a majority of one party in all three elective sections of government, putting their trust into those they elected they will serve the interests of Americans.and the majority approval of the American people before something of this scale is passed?
Yes, just like any and all legislation. It was passed to appease people politically and to better a previously flawed system. No one disputes our healthcare industry was in shambles before. Everyone agrees. Obamacare was passed to fix it. Time alone will tell if it improves our situation.It was passed for political reasons, often selfish reasons, and ideological reasons.
It's the only way to run a country. The Republicans do not dispute our system before was not working. But what they seem to want to do is go back to it and then basically keep it that way for another few decades. Oh, I know some posters will present links to a reform Republicans supposedly support, but Republicans did not pass it even when they were the party in power. What Republicans want to do (if I may borrow a phrase from Krauthammer on the Daily Show) is to govern by minority. Unfortunately, and much to the chagrin of whichever party is in power, our government does not work that way.Now the left wing ideologues want bad legislation to be 'fixed' rather than go through the process in a responsible way that corresponds with financial realities, the will of the legislators, and the people they represent.
Is this anyway to tun a country?
Good point. It's better to take the assured death than waste time on possibly living.
Sound logic from you, as usual.
No, it has not. It's been answered once and I'm not being disingenuous at all. You clearly have not followed the discussion, you didn't even know the question when you quoted it. And your nonsense you and Conservative are pushing that something which is flawed cannot have improvements defies logic.
The fact is you don't want to answer the question either, for what I assume are the same reasons. What's more, I find it incredibly sad you don't want to answer the question even though it's already been answered by others for you, which I think just goes to show you're not interested in logic or facts, merely team politics.
Let me know when you're ready to discuss my actual question. Thanks.
My mistake. I simply quit reading your post when you posted the 2,400 number, which was inaccurate (as you later said).
Likely because they knew reform was needed and their party leaders told them to.
Absolutely. It should also be represented honestly to the American public, which both sides have failed to do.
No. Bipartisan support has nothing to do with our system of government, it is a cog which has been added by big money groups (currently Republicans and Democrats).
No, if that is how we wished for our government to work, then we wouldn't need representatives. Instead, the American people elected a majority of one party in all three elective sections of government, putting their trust into those they elected they will serve the interests of Americans.
Does it suck when the policies you believe in are not supported by the majority party? Absolutely. But our history shows one political party doesn't hold power for a relatively long time.
Yes, just like any and all legislation. It was passed to appease people politically and to better a previously flawed system. No one disputes our healthcare industry was in shambles before. Everyone agrees. Obamacare was passed to fix it. Time alone will tell if it improves our situation.
It's the only way to run a country. The Republicans do not dispute our system before was not working. But what they seem to want to do is go back to it and then basically keep it that way for another few decades. Oh, I know some posters will present links to a reform Republicans supposedly support, but Republicans did not pass it even when they were the party in power. What Republicans want to do (if I may borrow a phrase from Krauthammer on the Daily Show) is to govern by minority. Unfortunately, and much to the chagrin of whichever party is in power, our government does not work that way.
So, if the Republicans were truly interested in helping Americans (which everyone knows political parties are only in it to help themselves), they would offer up improvements to Obamacare, which at the very least could make things "better". You work to make the best of a bad situation, until you gain enough power to change the situation.
But, as I said, Republicans don't want to improve Obamacare, because if they offer improvements which work, the American citizen is not likely to give them credit for the improvement, but rather praise Democrats for the original passage. This works against the Republicans political interest, so they do not want to improve it. And just to be clear, if the situations were reversed, the Democrats would do the same thing.
Hey, look...it's that person too busy to play team politics he cannot answer a simple question.I continue to see far too many continuing to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignoring the problems with the problem. Wonder why that is? The system before wasn't working to the extent that socialists want it to work. What you cannot seem to understand is that healthcare is a personal responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. What is it about Obamacare that creates this kind of loyalty? Was it the fact that if you liked your doctor you could keep him? Or how about if you like your healthcare plan you can keep that too? When will you and others hold Obama accountable for his lies and see Obamacare for exactly what it is, liberal deception?
My mistake. I simply quit reading your post when you posted the 2,400 number, which was inaccurate (as you later said).
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