Debate - 9/16/2008, John McCain vs. John McCain

[danarhea]

I will let the videos speak for themselves. Nothing else is needed here.

YouTube - John McCain: Fundamentals of our economy are strong-09/15/08

YouTube - John McCain: Town Hall Meeting 09/15/08

 

[Harshaw]

1) Where's the contradiction?

2) If you're taking him as saying two different things, isn't one of them what you all are harping on him to acknowledge?

"This private believes any answer he gives will be wrong, and the Sergeant will only beat him harder if he reverses himself!"

 

[Hatuey]

1) Where's the contradiction?

Which fundamentals of our economy have gone from being 'weak' two years ago to being 'strong' today?

 

[Harshaw]

Which fundamentals of our economy have gone from being 'weak' two years ago to being 'strong' today?

Not much for responding within context, are you?

 

[Hatuey]

Not much for responding within context, are you?

1) Where's the contradiction?

Which fundamentals of our economy have gone from being 'weak' two years ago to being 'strong' today?

The videos were about the fundamentals of our economy. In one McCain says they're weak. In the other that they are strong. I asked what has made the fundamentals of 2 years ago stronger today then they were 2 years ago.

 

[Objective Voice]

Well, McCains says in the 1st video that "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," yet in the 2nd video he says "the fundamentals of our economy are at risk."

How can the fundamentals be strong yet at risk at the same time? If they are strong, then there is no risk. So, which is it? And by that same definition, wouldn't fundamentally strong economic policies mean this country wouldn't be in the fiscal mess we're in right now?

I'm no economist nor am I an accountant, but it doesn't take either to know our economic system is either broken or someone has allowed things to go unchecked for far too long. And before I read the same BS again, let me remind readers that although the Democrats have a majority stake in Congress, it's been a Republican held Congress for the better part of the last 7 years! Who's economic polices failed? Who failed to provide adequate economic oversight?

 

[disneydude]

1) Where's the contradiction?

2) If you're taking him as saying two different things, isn't one of them what you all are harping on him to acknowledge?

"This private believes any answer he gives will be wrong, and the Sergeant will only beat him harder if he reverses himself!"

(1) You don't see a contradiction in these two statements:

A. The fundamentals of our economy are strong
B. The fundamentals of our economy are at great risk?

He shouldn't be afraid to reverse himself and admit he is wrong, he did it before when he switched from "Its a mental recession" to "the struggles of the American people are real".

 

[Harshaw]

The videos were about the fundamentals of our economy. In one McCain says they're weak. In the other that they are strong. I asked what has made the fundamentals of 2 years ago stronger today then they were 2 years ago.

What does "2 years ago" have to do with it?

(And he doesn't say they're "weak" -- he says they're "at risk," which is not the same thing. But again, even if it were, isn't that what he's being harangued to acknowledge? See my Full Metal Jacket quote above.)

 

[Harshaw]

How can the fundamentals be strong yet at risk at the same time? If they are strong, then there is no risk.

No, there's always a risk. A castle wall is strong, but a battering ram is still a risk.

You can find a contradiction if you want to find one, but it's weak.

(Besides, oil is plummeting, the dollar is rallying to year-old highs and beyond, and fears of inflation and higher interests rates are diminishing. In other words, the fundamentals don't look like they're in quite the crisis they're being made out to be.)

 

[danarhea]

The point is, I was chairman of the commerce committee. Every part of America's economy, I oversighted. I have a long record, certainly far more extensive of being involved in our economy than Senator Obama does.

-John McCain

McCain is certainly laying the groundwork for why nobody should vote for him, and he is doing it singlehandedly. LOL.

 

[aps]

According to Chris Matthews, John McCain has said that the fundamentals of our economy are strong 22 times since January 2008.

 

[Thorgasm]

-John McCain

McCain is certainly laying the groundwork for why nobody should vote for him, and he is doing it singlehandedly. LOL.

Yep, that's some great oversight he chaired. :rofl

 

[disneydude]

No, there's always a risk. A castle wall is strong, but a battering ram is still a risk.

You can find a contradiction if you want to find one, but it's weak.

(Besides, oil is plummeting, the dollar is rallying to year-old highs and beyond, and fears of inflation and higher interests rates are diminishing. In other words, the fundamentals don't look like they're in quite the crisis they're being made out to be.)

So what you are saying then is that McCain believes that the economy is strong, but there could always be some unforeseen circumstance (Battering ram) that could tear it down. But for right now, the economy is strong and there is no risk (battering ram) in sight? Or are you saying that McCain says the economy is strong, but it is currently being ripped apart by a "Battering ram"?

 

[American]

Well, McCains says in the 1st video that "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," yet in the 2nd video he says "the fundamentals of our economy are at risk."

How can the fundamentals be strong yet at risk at the same time? If they are strong, then there is no risk. So, which is it? And by that same definition, wouldn't fundamentally strong economic policies mean this country wouldn't be in the fiscal mess we're in right now?

I'm no economist nor am I an accountant, but it doesn't take either to know our economic system is either broken or someone has allowed things to go unchecked for far too long. And before I read the same BS again, let me remind readers that although the Democrats have a majority stake in Congress, it's been a Republican held Congress for the better part of the last 7 years! Who's economic polices failed? Who failed to provide adequate economic oversight?

Isn't it funny how we're a free market economy until something screws up, and then everyone wants to blame the government? It's never the fault of those involved in the free market. It's Bush's fault because the banks effed up, and Wall Street effed up....and not their fault. Why don't the libs go down to Wall Street and mob them? Maybe because some of those institutions are owned by libs? Now the only blame I would assign to the govt is approving the types of mortgages and other loans allowed.

 

[disneydude]

Isn't it funny how we're a free market economy until something screws up, and then everyone wants to blame the government? It's never the fault of those involved in the free market. It's Bush's fault because the banks effed up, and Wall Street effed up....and not their fault. Why don't the libs go down to Wall Street and mob them? Maybe because some of those institutions are owned by libs? Now the only blame I would assign to the govt is approving the types of mortgages and other loans allowed.

Isn't it funny that Bush/McCain have argued over and over for deregulation and argued that the markets should be allowed to police themselves? Well they got their wish.
Now, Mr. Deregulation McCain is calling for tighter regulation.
I guess McCain really is the candidate of change(ing positions).

 

[bhkad]

I will let the videos speak for themselves. Nothing else is needed here.

YouTube - John McCain: Fundamentals of our economy are strong-09/15/08

YouTube - John McCain: Town Hall Meeting 09/15/08

Ever see a home that had leaky pipes, old and insufficient wiring and a hole in the roof fixed up like new?

The house had a strong foundation.

Unless you and Obama are saying America DOESN'T have strong fundamentals.

:shock:

No. I didn't think you'd say that.

 

[bhkad]

According to Chris Matthews, John McCain has said that the fundamentals of our economy are strong 22 times since January 2008.

Are you and Chris Matthews saying the fundamentals of our economy are weak?

 

[Mentork]

Are you and Chris Matthews saying the fundamentals of our economy are weak?

I would say that, but then again, I'm the forum socialist.

 

[Thorgasm]

Are you and Chris Matthews saying the fundamentals of our economy are weak?

Major financial institutions are crumbling before our very eyes. The credit bubble is bursting. Energy prices are taxing the entire economy to boot. Why do we have to socialize the risk? Because free markets aren't patriotic. They aren't self regulating either. To let them collapse would be more detrimental to the country than socializing the risk.

The fundamentals wouldn't be what they are if we let these financial institutions collapse.

 

[bhkad]

Major financial institutions are crumbling before our very eyes. The credit bubble is bursting. Energy prices are taxing the entire economy to boot. Why do we have to socialize the risk? Because free markets aren't patriotic. They aren't self regulating either. To let them collapse would be more detrimental to the country than socializing the risk.

The fundamentals wouldn't be what they are if we let these financial institutions collapse.

There is blame to go around and if you'd like you can start here:

There's a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we'll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road.

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- The Real Culprits In This Meltdown

But we aren't going down that road, are we?

As I alluded in the analogy,

Ever see a home that had leaky pipes, old and insufficient wiring and a hole in the roof fixed up like new?

The house had a strong foundation.

No one is saying the pipes are not leaking. No one is saying the wiring doesn't need replacing. And the hole in the roof is beyond denying.

But the fundamentals...the FUNDAMENTALS of our economy are strong.

Why are you fear mongering here?

 

[Harshaw]

So what you are saying then is that McCain believes that the economy is strong, but there could always be some unforeseen circumstance (Battering ram) that could tear it down. But for right now, the economy is strong and there is no risk (battering ram) in sight? Or are you saying that McCain says the economy is strong, but it is currently being ripped apart by a "Battering ram"?

No, he didn't say that. Saying that the fundamentals are strong is not the same AT ALL as saying that everything is great or that there is no risk.

 

[disneydude]

No, he didn't say that. Saying that the fundamentals are strong is not the same AT ALL as saying that everything is great or that there is no risk.

You are spinning so out of control that you aren't making any sense.

Do you believe that McCain thinks the economy is strong or not?

Then again....McCain has flip flopped so much over the last two days, I don't think even McCain knows what McCain thinks. So maybe it isn't a fair question.

 

[Harshaw]

You are spinning so out of control that you aren't making any sense.

Why? Because I take the literal meanings of words and don't impute into them something that's not there?

Do you believe that McCain thinks the economy is strong or not?

Considering how many times he's said that there are real problems, if you're asking if he's saying that everything's fine, then no. I don't know how you can parse that from what he says unless you ignore about 80% of it. Which, obviously, you're doing.

 

[bhkad]

You are spinning so out of control that you aren't making any sense.

Do you believe that McCain thinks the economy is strong or not?

Then again....McCain has flip flopped so much over the last two days, I don't think even McCain knows what McCain thinks. So maybe it isn't a fair question.

The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

You are insulting our intelligence.

Or unintentionally confessing your own limitations.

 

[disneydude]

The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

You are insulting our intelligence.

Or unintentionally confessing your own limitations.

You see no contradiction in:

The fundamentals of our economy are strong
and
We are facing an economic crisis?

No wonder you support John McCain.