You have said nothing all along. You keep dodging.
What is the value such a person has?
What is the basis of your belief that such scum have any value?
Why will you not specifically define what the 'value' or 'worth' of such a person is?
Those who commit certain crimes can stand before a jury of their peers and their peers may decide their fate. If it's finite, then it's finite. And even then it's restricted as infinite government force may not be called down. There is various amount of government force able to be called down in response to actions; but it is not unlimited and any system we enact, we must understand the repercussions of.
Your last sentence was just desperate attack, and was embarrassing. Please try not to fall to such pathetic displays of reflex.
The last sentence was truth, as you still refuse to define anything... you continue to talk theory and ideas, yet refuse to be specific or discuss where your beliefs come from.
My ideals have been born from the philosophers of days ago. Locke and Hobbes and Kant. Humans are human, we're all the same species and all have the same rights. All men are created equal, regardless of serendipity of family or State.
And your last sentence (in the post before) remains the desperate lunging of a cornered beast.
Not deserving mercy is just your opinion, and not proper basis for argument on exercise of government force. Life in prison is a life without freedom, it removes the individual from society and gives the same amount of safety as a death penalty. Without all the downsides of having a death penalty. There is very little purpose of a death penalty in an advanced and evolved society.
For the mentally ill? We chop off pieces of them? Pretty sure lobotomies ain't used as treatments. And the medical treatments they receive are not quite on level with castration. The problem is that this is an emotional discussion, and we've made several such topics overly emotional so that people stop thinking and just start reacting. And that's not a good thing. Cruel and unusual is out, sorry, but this is a free Republic with a supposedly limited government.
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.
Dueling is for equals. Pedophiles are beneath me.If you say so.
You feel that someone does not deserve to live? Fine. Challenge him. Swords out, a duel, as it was supposed to be for some 99% of human history! No? Hiding behind the broad back of the dumb, clumsy State golem is more to your liking?
Feels good, to risk nothing and be all righteous about it, eh?
And, again, why on earth is that a better option than execution or chemical readjustment from society's standpoint?
Life in prison is really no less cruel than death, and it costs tax payers significantly more money. We spend literal billions each year to support our prison population.
There are simply better ways of doing things.
As we have pointed out repeatedly, there are chemical treatments available which make physical mutilation completely unnecessary.
Of course, I oppose this for reasons I've explained numerous times on this forum. I agree child molesters need to be given long prison sentences and maybe even put away for life depending on a number of factors. But rapists of adult women should not receive similar sentences. By arguing for the death penalty for both, you're basically saying that a crime against a woman is as heinous as a crime against a child, and I simply don't believe this. The reason why rape was punished severely, historically, is that it damaged the household of the rape victim. That is now irrelevant, since women are not expected to be married as virgins and further, marriages have less monetary value to families anyway.
All women have left is 'it makes me feel bad,' and I'm not buying that song and dance. In addition, I find it hypocritical that women expect special treatment in this respect, yet they are supposed to be equal in others. If they are equal to men in all intellectual and emotional respects, then I wish to treat them as such. I'm not interested in hearing about how they are in a sense the sort of emotionally frail creatures we thought they were back when we had primitive, bigoted, and chauvinistic views. Let them be men, I say. If they don't like it, they can always return to the old ways.
In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors. Not only would I not put rapists to death, but I would consider the crime equivalent to misdemeanor assault in a large percentage of cases.
One of the most horrendous things I have ever read on this forum. Truly sickening, and awful, rape is far more than misdemeanor assault. Sex crimes generally have far worse psychological damage than physical damage, and the psychological damage is far reaching, and can ruin lives. The fact that you would diminish the suffering of people who have been the victim of sex crimes is disgusting.
Am I correct that you define yourself as "pro-life?"
My ideals have been born from the philosophers of days ago. Locke and Hobbes and Kant. Humans are human, we're all the same species and all have the same rights. All men are created equal, regardless of serendipity of family or State.
And your last sentence (in the post before) remains the desperate lunging of a cornered beast.
Yes, let's spend more time and money on death penalty trials that occasionally end up with innocent people being executed and is absolutely not a deterrent to crime. This sounds like a fantastic plan. :roll:
Human life has intrinsic value
Life in prison without parole does the same for the general public as the death penalty.
No overall. I don't support the death sentence regardless of the crime.
Though I would understand it if there would be a law saying that if you are an acquaintance of the victim ,you are allowed to be in a room with the respective individual for the amount of time that he robbed you of the presence of your loved one. And during that time, everything goes. So for instance, if you are the father of a child that has been molested, how long did it take? 5min? Ok. for 5min, you can be in a room with the respective garbage of a human being and where the rule of law is suspended and so are all consequences. So you could take an iron bat for instance and smash the guys head in until there is nothing left and you can clearly see his larynges. And you, the father, won't suffer any consequences under the law.
Then again, you could just do nothing and let him serve his time in prison and act like a decent human being and not stoop down to his level. Or you can. I'm just saying, you should have the option and it would be less barbaric than the death sentence. Why? Because I don't think the government has the right to sentence its own people to death. Its an abuse of power.
But as an individual... well, you're not the state. You're just an individual.
So that would be great.
Do you think that would promote your healing as an individual though?
As I have said (and you apparently have been unable to read and comprehend) all humans are human. That's the fundamental and that's why we all share intrinsic worth along with common natural rights and liberties. Do please try to keep up.
In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors.
If oyu mean, would that promote healing of "a individual".
I don't know and it doesn't matter. I'm just saying that it should be an option for whomever wants to take advantage of it. I'm not promoting either one.
As I said: "Then again, you could just do nothing and let him serve his time in prison and act like a decent human being and not stoop down to his level. "
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