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what's your point on the military? Are you saying that the poor get routed into the military?
It's not BS, I went to a private high school where some (obviously not most) parents didn't give a crap. They paid the money (so they did give a bit of crap), but some were never home, some were raging alcoholics, some never went to any of their children's events, some students had to take care of their siblings while their parents were off doing god knows what. But they had things in a great education system because of their parents money to escape from it all and do well.
Also, why do so many people on this board call the facts of poverty 'victimization'? They aren't 'victims'. In every country throughout the entirety of history, the poor are ALWAYS the least educated and benefit the least from society. Why are we still denying this thousands of years into civilization?
I think 16 is a bit old. you can usually tell by the time a kid is 12-13 whether or not he/she is cut out for academia. what you wind up with is a bunch of kids hanging around killing time and causing trouble in middle school waiting to turn 16 so they can drop out.
There is a lot of truth to the old saying, "the world needs ditch diggers, too."
I respect anyone who earns an honest living. I think most people feel that way.
Having a trade lends itself to high self-esteem. I think that's why the Hispanic American outperform black Americans by such a large margin; they aren't relying on being the next LeBron or Pdiddy. Most Hispanics take tremendous pride in the value of work, family, and self-reliance. In many cases, they're Republicans and don't know it.
we can't be kicking kids out of school at 12 or 13. they can't work yet, and that's a bit early to give up on them. i've known plenty of 12-13 yr olds who got into trouble in jr high, because they couldn't quite handle the additional freedom, but straightened out and did just fine in hs.
at 16, they can work, and in many states they can take a ged test.
I didn't say kick them into the streets and make them get jobs. bring back or improve the vocational tracks in the public schools. when I was a kid, almost half the students in my class went to trade school. they would spend the first half of the day in classes (math, science, english) and then in the afternoon they would go to the trade/voc school and learn mechanics, autobody repair, cosmetology, etc, etc.
By 'so', are you saying that's were you came from? A racist garbage dump?
Or just 'so what' if he's a racist. It's his god-given right to hate black people? Is that what you mean by 'so'?
Strawman -- revealing your own bigotry and racist feelings toward the AG of the United States because of the color of his skin. Shameful.
From what I've heard, they don't really talk about vocational education is low-income schools. They bring up the military...but then half the kids don't graduate. I think vocational education would be a really good short term solution to getting people contributing to society, but in the long term, I still think we need make an effort to bring poor kids up to better levels. People keep saying that this is a lost cause, but the problem is, our government and education system has never actually tried to do it.
I've usually been resistant to the idea of vocational schools, but I think I have to reevaluate that. The problems of education will take a long time to fix, but at least something like this can make people contribute to society and lower crime levels. I still think we can be working on the other problems in the background, but yeah, if students who will otherwise fail in the system can be turned in another direction, I think that solves a lot of problems and would probably even curb a lot of the issues that come a long with poverty (i.e. if I can work on cars and maybe own my business one day, I don't have to steal them).
That was a nice swipe, but unfortunately that's not a trait exclusive to Republicans.
I respect anyone who earns an honest living as well, but I also acknowledge the fact that education needs to prepare American students for the 'age of innovation' (there's probably a better term) that's replaced the age of industrialization that our system was built on. We are falling behind the rest of the world and that will not only challenge our credibility with our allies but also our dominance in science, engineering, computer science and other areas that, if say the Chinese become great at, we're screwed. I understand the argument for vocational schools, but I don't see why that can't be accompanied with improving schools that already exist since we haven't really tried that.
I didn't say kick them into the streets and make them get jobs. bring back or improve the vocational tracks in the public schools. when I was a kid, almost half the students in my class went to trade school. they would spend the first half of the day in classes (math, science, english) and then in the afternoon they would go to the trade/voc school and learn mechanics, autobody repair, cosmetology, etc, etc.
obama's doj is crazily color conscious, it appears
its dismissal of the black panther voter intimidation case after the bush doj won a default judgement (because the defendants failed to appear) has been said by a pair of doj attorneys to reflect the dept's refusal to prosecute cases against african americans where the plaintiffs are white
wapo did a 5 (web) page story last october on this pooh pooh of the panthers that was explosive, the post's report realistically can only be seen as the laying of a groundwork for far reaching congressional investigation into and action on the matter
should the opposition ever opt to go that route, that is
conservatives should read the post, every word---liberals will of course steer clear
Dispute over New Black Panthers case causes deep divisions
it appears absolutely no justification exists for the dropping of the panthers, for the ridiculous ruling that mr shabazz stay away for 2 years from philly precincts only (he's free to take his billy club to scranton, for instance)
hauled before house appropriations last week, an exasperated holder slipped---all these questions about mr shabazz' night stick were demeaning, the ag sputtered, "to my people"
Eric Holder: Black Panther case focus demeans 'my people' - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
my people?
awfully race conscious for a united states attorney general
and now this, the doj's demand that dayton cops lower their standards---for obvious reasons
talk about demeaning millions of americans
oh well, party on
I'm saying that in many poor schools, they advertise the military as a HUGE option for students. I assume it's because you can join with a high school diploma. In my schools, the military came and told about our options, but they didn't push it that hard. (I'm just reporting what has happened in a lot of inner-city schools, I'm not trying to offend the military if that's what you think).
what's wrong with construction, mechanical repair, or anything else like that? we need all kinds of people in our society, and everbody CAN'T be a doctor.
absolutely, we should always strive to raise up the poor, but let's face it, some people will never make 100k a year, nor should they.
as long as people can work with a living wage i'm ok with that. we will always have SOME lost causes.
agreed. but i think we still have a responsbility to attempt to educate until the age of 16. kids can't change their parents. i would never agree, (and can hardly believe) that 19 year olds are ninth graders. oscar was correct when he said everbody can't be a doctor, or whatever it was he posted. most kids can be trained for something, it use to be called vocational education, is that gone now?
I saw a video of a five foot nothing lady cop trying to arrest a monster who was like six and half feet tall and close to three hundred pounds. She nearly died for the sake of good feelings.
Awesome.
They shouldn't lower standards. I completely agree. That's counterproductive.
But maybe they should raise education standards in predominantly black neighborhoods so they wouldn't have any reason to lower other standards.
I would agree with your point if EVERY student in those schools failed.
Even in the worst of schools, if the student wants to learn and do well, he/she will.
I think the problem is in the home more than in eventhe worst schools out there.
However, in every society in history, the poorest have been the least educated which says to me that society's don't put in a lot of effort into educating them.
Also, low-income schools get much less funding because they pay much lower property taxes.
Paterson NJ, a city that is one of the worst and poorest cities in NJ: $14,587 per student
Newark NJ, Needs no introduction: $17,760 per student.
Bernerds TWP, NJ, A very affluent town: $10,841
It is a myth that poor inner city schools are underfunded. In fact they usually get more per student than comparitive towns that are not poor.
Comparative Spending Guide 2008
Paterson NJ, a city that is one of the worst and poorest cities in NJ: $14,587 per student
Newark NJ, Needs no introduction: $17,760 per student.
Bernerds TWP, NJ, A very affluent town: $10,841
It is a myth that poor inner city schools are underfunded. In fact they usually get more per student than comparitive towns that are not poor.
Comparative Spending Guide 2008
I agree that students who don't want to learn and also uninvolved parents are part of the problem.
However, in every society in history, the poorest have been the least educated which says to me that society's don't put in a lot of effort into educating them. The United States has not accounted very well in its system for the problems that affecting learning in poor areas. We teach them like we teach middle class kids. They need a little extra.
Also, low-income schools get much less funding because they pay much lower property taxes. Because of this, the after school activities that would keep some board kids away from gangs and the materials to spark interest in education are missing when if present, they would serve as time-consuming distractions from the problems at home. I think the problem is widespread enough that raising education standards could get a lot more students in those areas doing well. I don't think it solves all the problems, but I think it can solve many.
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