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How odd then that Christianity or God is not mentioned in the Constitution anywhere.
In fact the only time religion is mentioned is to instruct government from establishing a religion. Now what do you suppose the forefathers intended with that short little clause? Surely you don't believe it was to establish Christianity as a state religion with all the bells, symbols and whistles, do you?
The problem with Christians is that if you give them an inch they take a mile. First it's just an innocent little poster, then they start preaching in the hallways and calling the children sinners, then they start demanding schools teach creationism, then they rewrite the history books, then the next thing you know our tax dollars are supporting a religion. No, I think it's better to nip them in the bud so to speak and not allow them to get a foothold in the door in the first place.
Because according to you this country was founded on Christianity and had a great influence in writing the Constitution and yet there is no mention of it whatsoever. Don't you think thats odd?Why do you think that odd?
My point was and still is that this country was not founded on Christianity. The fact that there is no mention of it in the constution except to provide a wall of separation more than validates this fact, but if you want more proof........I have no idea what you're driving at here. I feel the reason they instructed government to not establish a religion is because they didn't want the government to establish a religion. If you can come up with another reason, let's hear it.
Article 11: As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.....
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
Hmm, do I think that or do you think I think that? I think this country had many influences and Christianity is but one of many. Yes, it probably does currently have a foothold in some areas of the country, but history shows that foothold waxes and wanes with the times.And you think Christianity doesn't already have a foothold in the United States?
Okay.
Originally Posted by Somerville
But not in the eyes of society until the 20th Century.
Originally Posted by Grant
That's clearly untrue, as pointed out in the examples which were listed.earlier on this thread.
Somerville
and then there was that whole ordinance about how servants were to behave - don't sound like equality to me
Colossians 3:22
That is not a quote of Jesus.
individuals have the right so long as it is not part of the education as per the first amendment.
if the school or government itself does it or a teacher tries to implement it,that would be a violation of the first amendment.
The problem with Christians is that if you give them an inch they take a mile. First it's just an innocent little poster, then they start preaching in the hallways and calling the children sinners, then they start demanding schools teach creationism, then they rewrite the history books, then the next thing you know our tax dollars are supporting a religion. No, I think it's better to nip them in the bud so to speak and not allow them to get a foothold in the door in the first place.
Where do you suppose that enlightenment came from?
This is the sort of thing that happens when children are not taught their heritage in schools.
Why does the sight of the 10 Commandments annoy you? I'm not religious but they don;t annoy me anymore than a Christmas tree does.
Perhaps you. like many others. need some anti-sensitivity training. Their is far too much annoyances occurring over rather petty little things.
I certainly understand the meaning of "enlightenment".
Which meaning did you intend?
And do you have any idea what inspired those laws you now enjoy?
But why stop there? Do you know what inspired all of this?
The most revolutionary idea in the history of mankind was the idea that the poor, like the rich, had a soul and were recognized as equals in the eyes of God. This is central to the teachings of Jesus, Christianity and all that comes after it in the Christian world. These teachings are still reverberating in the world today. Of course those historical references you referred to are all from the Christian world. The non Christian world is, and was, quite different.
But as this is not being taught in most schools today many students, and adults, will remain ignorant of their heritage and thus the world around them. They think it all happened naturally, that values just rise up from nowhere in particular, and the traditions they inherited will somehow continue uninterrupted into the future.
The poster cost maybe $5, they can use my tax dollars to pay for it.I'm not annoyed with the Ten Commandments. I'm annoyed that taxpayer dollars are used to promote religion. I don't want my money to go to preaching. I want it to go to killing mujahideen
The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
That's clearly untrue, as pointed out in the examples which were listed.earlier on this thread.
That is not a quote of Jesus.
Jesus didn't write the New Testament. Christians are expected to follow the NT as well as Jesus.
It's been answered several times.The question remains before the forum:
The poster cost maybe $5, they can use my tax dollars to pay for it.
Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
The poster cost maybe $5, they can use my tax dollars to pay for it.
Jesus didn't write the New Testament. Christians are expected to follow the NT as well as Jesus.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
A four-foot tall display of the Ten Commandments was first hung on school walls following the Columbine school shooting in 1999. The display was taken down in December 2010 by school officials after receiving complaints and replaced it with a copy of the Declaration of Independence. In January 2011, the Ten Commandments display was replaced after more complaints from parents and pastors. The display was removed again in February 2011 by school officials with no reason stated.
In March 2011, 50 Giles County High School students walked out of classrooms in protest of the display being removed, but all but 15 returned to class after talking with a school resource officer.
The county’s school board voted 3-2 in June to approve displaying a set of documents including the Ten Commandments, Bill of Rights, Mayflower Compact, the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom and others. The two dissenting members of the school board cited the cost of legal battles as their main reason for their vote.
It's the bible, not The Book of the Law of God, so there was n ever any requirement it to have been written by any deity.
And what was Christianity inspired by? Always, from a purely historical standpoint, religion is manmade. Always. Greek philosophers thought of the ideas of justice and fairness long before Jesus was a thought in anyone's head.
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