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I don't really have much respect for dictatorships who get something right once in a while. The USA has strong democratic principles based on a respected constitution and is a federation of hundreds of million of people. I am not at all surprised the process is longer, and I'm thankful decisions like this don't come down by decree from the "elite".
Your posting history gives you away I'm afraid, JoG.
I sincerely hope so, although there does seem to be a very strong current of opinion amongst large swathes of your population that seems either happy to see your human rights record deteriorate, or are in complete denial that any such thing is taking place. I'm not sure what it would take to see the situation turned around.
Only in your dreams do my posts constitute homophobia, though, I did not really enjoy homosexual or bisexual sex. But I do understand that people would rather simplify than try to understand, what is actually being said. This is all the more the case, when they realize their arguments are rather threadbare.
The gays have overplayed their had with revolting triumphalism and gleeful intrusions on the existential and fundamental Constitutional rights of others. That has lost them a lot of sympathy and has now pushed the whole discussion in a more encompassing light that shows the gay arguments to be threadbare and at best barely tenable if at all.
What ssm does affect is your wallet. Were you of such a religion, it would also make you an accessory in the condemning activities of the sinfully consenting adults.
Telling a child that single parents exist is quite different from telling them that it is a good way to go.
Teaching them that it is ethically okay is not the same thing, as it is contrary to central religious morals. That would be fine in a private institution. For the government to do so against the will of the parents is as unconstitutional as saying it is crime against God and perpetrators should burn for infinity.
Are Muslim gays as much offensively demanding and triumphalist as our SSM lobbyists?
A small sample will help clarify:
And, if you were to read, what those quotes say, you would find that it is not homosexuality I criticize. But that might be too demanding of you as isit equines more than one dimensional thinking in a fifty years old rut.
isit equines? We having a senior moment, JoG?
It's definitely not horse, btw.
I dunno.
I've see the size of some of them there gay dildos, and the word "horse" definitely comes to mind. :2razz:
isit equines? We having a senior moment, JoG?
It's definitely not horse, btw.
I admit that this mobile does auto correct to odd words. I guess I will have to pay more attention before hitting return.
PS: But your answer shows quite nicely, that you are stuck in the rut and have a problem understanding the matter at hand.
I think he understands it full well. In fact he's walked a mile in gay shoes, so not only does he understands first-hand, he's doing so looking rather fabulous.
You have zero clue what it's like living in a world that treats you as a lesser, so you should reserve your judgement.
I think he understands it full well. In fact he's walked a mile in gay shoes, so not only does he understands first-hand, he's doing so looking rather fabulous.
You have zero clue what it's like living in a world that treats you as a lesser, so you should reserve your judgement.
I feel for him that he is traumatized and it is sad that you think he thinks the way he does, because he is still dealing with it. But that does not make the position he portraits better.
You think I'm traumatised by being gay? :lamo I'm more traumatised by needing two different pairs of spectacles. You seem more traumatised by the prospect of having to use the words, husband and husband/wife and wife in your everyday discourse. Poor you! I could recommend a good therapist, there are lots to choose from since sexual orientation isn't anywhere near as psychologically traumatising as it used to be. Poor loves are scrabbling for work. Your neuroses would be money in the bank for them.
Middleground get's it. JoG doesn't. Two heterosexual women, not that great an age difference but one with a simple understanding that accepting change and difference isn't necessarily a threat to anyone, the other feeling threatened and undermined at every turn. One understands that the personal is political, the other deluded enough to believe that conformity has great value.
MG is awarded the Pink Heart for services to fabulosity. JoG receives the Anita Bryant Memorial Tranquiliser.
That would have fit and explained why your opinion is so biased on this point, where otherwise you seem to have quite balanced views.
Decisions that rectify injustice and discrimination should be welcomed wherever they occur. If your May 22nd referendum rejects gay marriage, am I to congratulate Ireland on its democratic process? What comfort is it to oppressed minorities to learn that at least the discrimination being heaped on them is democratically arrived at?
That is what Middleground seemed to be implying. For it is immaterial that you be gay or not to the objective argument. But what his information said is that your judgment of the facts is dominated by your having had such a hard time as a homosexual. That would have fit and explained why your opinion is so biased on this point, where otherwise you seem to have quite balanced views.
Not embarrassed at all. Demographically, I'm not sure how significant the gay portion of society is. They are noisy that's for sure.
Ahhhhhh, no. Andy Pandy is no pansy. I am sure that he has--at times in his life--had to deal with not being treated fairly, been made fun of and/or harassed because of his sexual orientation. How do I know? Because he's about my age and my generation has not exactly been 'queer friendly.' Having said that, Andy is no worse for wear and it seems that he is very comfortable in his own skin.
Fortunately, through education and enlightenment, we, as a society have thankfully progressed. If you want to be one of those closed-minded individuals that will be extinct like dinosaurs in the near future, that is your prerogative. But it's only going to make you look foolish.
Okay, you got me! I wasn't attacking the US in general, just those parts of it that are virulently anti-Cuban, and resistently anti-gay, but you're right I let my rhetoric overwhelm my reason. It's a fair cop.You're not just "welcoming" it, you're using it as a stick to be beat the US down with - even though gay marriage is legal in more US states than European ones.
Thanks MG! All you say is true. Growing up in the Sixties and Seventies and starting out in adult life in the Eighties - the Dark Ages of modern British history - I certainly came up against homophobia, my own included, and seem to have emerged on the other side pretty happy with life. A bit of struggle is the making of anyone.
You're also correct to say that the world is a very different place for LGBT people, in the West at least, than it was 30+ years ago. Thank God/Allah/Yahweh! Our societies have progressed enormously, but that progress didn't happen by chance, or through the munificence of the rulers. It has been progress that has taken a lot of work and sacrifice on the part of a lot of committed and really pissed-off LGBT people and their straight supporters.
There will always be the dinosaurs who resent every gain we make. Who take every pride parade as a personal affront, every legal adjustment as an attack on their privilege. That's inevitable, but we are winning. The proof of that I experience every day living as an out gay man in a tiny, traditional, farming village in an undeveloped corner of Europe where once upon I time I might have been run out of town, regularly assaulted or at the very least shunned by my neighbours. It's testament to the success of our struggle and the innate goodness of all people that the recognition that we don't all have to be a cipher of one particular model of humanity has come to be the predominant mind-set. Hurrah!
JoG seems to be of an age, mind-set and ideology that rejects these changes. That's sad for her, not for me!
There will always be the dinosaurs who resent every gain we make. Who take every pride parade as a personal affront, every legal adjustment as an attack on their privilege.
Ahhhhhh, no. Andy Pandy is no pansy. I am sure that he has--at times in his life--had to deal with not being treated fairly, been made fun of and/or harassed because of his sexual orientation. How do I know? Because he's about my age and my generation has not exactly been 'queer friendly.' Having said that, Andy is no worse for wear and it seems that he is very comfortable in his own skin.
Fortunately, through education and enlightenment, we, as a society have thankfully progressed. If you want to be one of those closed-minded individuals that will be extinct like dinosaurs in the near future, that is your prerogative. But it's only going to make you look foolish.
There seems to be great headway being made in Cuba by LGBT rights activists in promoting equal treatment for the country's long-oppressed sexual minorities. The indefatigable activism of some very brave people, plus a welcome softening and modernising approach from the régime seems to be allowing a lot of progress to happen in a very short time. I wonder whether the great Satan of human rights abusers will pass SSM into nationwide law before the home of the free does.
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How embarrassed would you be if Cuba beat your own home country in its much improved treatment of a significant demographic minority?
There was a time when the United States lead the world when it came to human rights. We were the beacon on the hill. Sadly, due primarily to the radical right wing's influence in our political system, a large portion of the world has surpassed us. This would be no different. The US will soon catch up to the rest of the world in terms of freedom and equality.
You see, that just about sums up my thoughts on you. I wonder what kind of trauma you've suffered at the hands of LGBT people that makes you so obsessed with the matter, despite it not really having much bearing on your life as an elderly, heterosexual lady. In other threads, on other topics, you appear to be quite sane and rational. The fact that you appear to post in the sex and sexuality forum far more than I do (652 vs. 423 posts) suggests you have a bit of a hang-up on the subject.
Which constitutional rights has the progress of LGBT rights taken away from anyone?But, you see, when a group of people start restricting the rights of others and using the state to take away Constitutional rights
What nation are you referring to? Britain? Spain? USA?so that they can live their own lust and for spite, as is often obviously the driver in the arguments here, well they become a group that must be stopped. And this is exactly, what the gay rights lobby has done and their behavior is to the opposite of the freedom our society likes to think of itself as symbolizing and viciously against the values that have stood us well as a nation.
What payments are these? I must be owed a fortune!You can have sex with anyone you want and their dog, for all I care. But when you want to have money for non reproductive affairs
No one has ever been forced to participate in homosexuality, as far as I'm aware. Apart from those who attend SM parties, of course.or want the courts to force the religious, which I am not, to participate in activities that they consider vile crime against their God?
I see, so LGBT activists are the equivalent of Nazi Maoists, are they? :roll:Nope. That is, what the Inquisition did, bigots all through history have done or Mao or the Nazis. That is an absolute and revolting attitude and must be fought.
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