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Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan


This is the dumbest ruling ever made by a court in history. only a idiot would find in favor of this. of course this has no bearing on US law at all.
 
Yes, we can give rights to frogs if we want also. But, when we start going to court and giving animals rights, well, that's just stupid.

Animals already have rights. For example, if an animal is endangered they are granted various protections. Pet's have various rights to prevent cruelty and ensure they are cared for. Given an orangutan ha the intellect of a 4 year old child, is self aware, is capable of empathy, and mourns the death of its friends, why would we not grant them some rights and protections that we might not would grant say a lab rat or a beetle?
 

they aren't a person neither are other animals. we already have animal protection laws.


actually it is. flies and other creatures all exhibit some form of emotional reaction to different stimulus. they are sentient to a certain degree. if you want to follow this kind of logic at least be consistent.
which means we would have to grant personhood to numerous types of animals etc ... I doubt you want to go to prison or get a fine for swatting a fly

Animal cruelty laws do not indicate that we see other animals as persons or right's holders. Legally, they are still chattel property.

because they are animals not persons.
 
So where is the line? It's ok to kill bacteria. How about insects? Can I kill insects?

given the logic at hand the answer would be no. even bacteria has some sentient intelligence to it.
 
And, in other news, the orangutan will be replacing Bill O'Reilly on FOX News. :mrgreen:

So, there will be no changes in content or delivery.
 

No, they don't have any rights at all. Those are restraints we put on ourselves, nothing to do with the animal. What rights do cows and chickens have, we slaughter them by the thousands for food and other products? Animals are a resource, have been that for millions of years.
 
given the logic at hand the answer would be no. even bacteria has some sentient intelligence to it.

I think you're looking for a different word than "sentient."
 
Whether you want to call it a reflex or not, pain and sight reflexes, if the latter exist, are dependent on consciousness.

And how does the researcher know that?

Read up on how they do the research, it's pretty interesting stuff.
 

Of course it is unethical. I'm being selfish and utilitarian in my analysis. I care less about their rights than I do about the potential betterment of my species.
 
I think you're looking for a different word than "sentient."

not really as it makes decisions choices etc based on the options that it has available.
it will always make the best choice for survival.

in the end it doesn't matter. according to the logic they are using it would be a crime to kill insects or bacteria.
 

Virtually all rights are simply restrains we put on ourselves. They aren't magic.
 
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