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Corporatist dems, this is an example why progressives oppose you

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"House Democrats on Tuesday unveiled a sprawling 1,815-page, $3 trillion coronavirus relief package that spurns many of the key demands of progressive activists and lawmakers while including proposals that immediately provoked backlash, such as a tax cut for the wealthy and a provision that would allow corporate lobbying organizations to take part in federal small business loan program."

"The bill, which the House is expected to vote on as early as Friday, does not contain recurring direct cash payments, a paycheck guarantee, cancellation of rent and mortgage payments, or expansion of Medicare to cover the rapidly growing number of unemployed and uninsured Americans.

The legislation does, however, propose an expansion of Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) eligibility to include corporate lobbying organizations—which aggressively pushed for the change..."

""Democratic leadership has had plenty of input from progressive thinkers over the past couple of months. They just care more about the input from corporate lobbyists," tweeted HuffPost senior reporter Zach Carter."

It's not all bad, but it's a lot worse than it should be.

'No Excuse for This': House Dems Unveil 1,815-Page Bill That Would Bail Out Corporate Lobbyists But Omits Key People-First Priorities | Common Dreams News
 



I have yet to see a bill of any nature that provides anything of any scale for the avg American get passed unless business gets a sizable cut. The rich and large corps can't get what they get without the help of the Dems. The avg American and those with the least don't get anything from the Reps unless the rich and/or large corps get more than they deserve/need. I've never seen it any other way.
 

Check the bill submitted by Bernie and other Senators. It's for the American people.
 
Democrats, Republicans....tomato...tomato. That phrase really loses a lot of its meaning when written instead of spoken. But they're all in the bag for the Corporate-State, they serve the same New Aristocracy. There's not much difference in the end between the two.
 

Upgrading infrastructure would have accomplished more.
 

I don't think can speak of them the same way. The GOP goes significantly further in rewarding them. Tax cuts, slashing regulation without regard to potential harm caused to the public, etc. However much it is true of Democrats, it's more extreme with the Republicans.
 

It's about time progressives realize that they are a small minority and yield little power.
 

You haven't seen it because it has yet to happen. The republicans are at the stage in their 'game' where the end is in sight, so from now on it's slash and burn, take all you can, they're going to steal whatever they can while they have the ways and means to do it. Nothing else matters at this point to them except to help themselves and their wall street buddies to drain the US coffers.
 

It all mostly ends in the same place, though. I think the main difference is how quickly you get there.
 

Stop pretending.

There isn't a 1/4" of difference between a democrat/liberal/progressive.
 

It could have been much worse. For example, they could have let the Sandernistas help write it.

Also, it would help you be taken more seriously if you did not use propaganda sites like Common Dreams or National Review as your source.
 
What everyone fails to mention... again... is this Congress is split.

They would have spent all kinds of time standing their ground on respective ends of the negotiation table and got very little done, in the end just to get it past the Senate and a signature means doing a few things "progressives" will not like.

Just being a progressive and even litmus test distancing yourselves from Democrats does not mean any of it would have passed.
 

People only like compromise when they draw the long straw....
 
Redress said:
It could have been much worse. For example, they could have let the Sandernistas help write it.

Also, it would help you be taken more seriously if you did not use propaganda sites like Common Dreams or National Review as your source.
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You are wrong and disingenuous as always. Bernie HAS written a bill, which is much better, and which serves the American people; you are simply posting a smear based on nothing but your error.

I don't want to be 'taken seriously' by you. It's like having a trump cultist say, to be taken seriously by them, I have to admit trump is the greatest leader in world history. I don't want to be taken seriously by them. You disingenuously try to smear the excellent Common Dreams by equating them with National Review. I'll return the favor - people should not listen to people like you and Alex Jones.
 
the Dem vs Repub thing has always been a ****ty choice. however, they are currently the only way to vote against Chancellor Squirrelhead's reality tv idiocy.
 
Rushed legislation designed to overt crisis, always requires that it be written quickly as opposed to carefully, and that coalitions be built quickly as opposed to carefully and that means you throw money around like crazy and you end up with a mishmash of both intended and unintended consequences that inevitably need to be cleaned up subsequently. Speed is never an ally of solid, secure and tight bill-writing. These bills need to be passed and signed fast enough that people do not lack for food, shelter, and medical care, and that some of these jobs will still be around in two months and that means buying some corporatist votes and even the President's signature.

These fast tracked desperation bills will all be marginally better than nothing, but a looooonnnnnng way for 'good bills'
 

The bill is DOA. There is only one way out, and that is go back to work. Insolvent states can just file bankruptcy like a business would. Secondly, this tidal wave of borrowing is going to create a tidal wave of inflation.
 

Rushed is not an excuse nor an explanation. The lawmakers have PLENTY of input, as the quote in my OP says, from progressives, and are making clear choices to reject policies good for the American people and to instead choose policies the lobbyists want. It's not an accident because they're rushed. It's corruption.
 

Let me know when Nancy pays you anything more than insincere lip service.

In any case, her bill is DOA in the Senate.
 
chuckiechan said:
The bill is DOA. There is only one way out, and that is go back to work. Insolvent states can just file bankruptcy like a business would. Secondly, this tidal wave of borrowing is going to create a tidal wave of inflation.
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I guess you do not know that states can NOT declare Bankruptcy
Congress would have to pass a law allowing them to
as of now they can't
have a nice night
 

Who wrote it is why it would not pass, it would not even be a place to start negotiating from... not that "progressives" are interested in that anyway.

(This post may not matter, I think I'm on this guy's ignore list with plenty of others.)
 
OrphanSlug said:
(This post may not matter, I think I'm on this guy's ignore list with plenty of others.)
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I'm on there too, and I prefer it that way. His responses are so dumb they give me a headache.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Who wrote it is why it would not pass, it would not even be a place to start negotiating from... not that "progressives" are interested in that anyway.

(This post may not matter, I think I'm on this guy's ignore list with plenty of others.)
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Even when the Dems had control of Congress and the Senate in 2008, they started negotiations with themselves at half a loaf and walked away with the crumbs that was ACA without a public option; Joe Lieberman, the holdout who about singlehandedly took the PO down, wasn't even confronted.

Obama's record in summary: Obama the Conservative | Tracking Obama's abandoning of the progressive agenda, and the disconnect between his words and deeds.

Meanwhile, it was Clinton who opted to strangle derivatives regulation in the cradle (Commodity Futures Modernization Act ), presided over the partial repeal of Glass Steagall, and the 1996 Telecommunications Act which permitted unprecedented consolidation of media ownership.

Awful as the Republicans are, Democrats are as a rule and at best, terrible, spineless negotiators or at worst agents of their major sponsors.

Anyone who thinks Third Way/New Dems are true and faithful representatives of the typical American, is deluding himself; they're less bad than the Republicans, but they still lean towards where their bread is buttered.
 
The Donald only wants to hand out $$ to 'the people' if it looks like he is the one handing it out.

I really believe that he'll wait until Oct and try to hand out another few trillion, one way or another, in order to get re-elected. But it has to look like his idea...his generosity. :roll:





 
Lefty progs, the Dems do not care what you think.

You cannot have the party.

End of argument.
 
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