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This is coming from the same people who railed against the NSA program and Patriot Act? What irony! :rofl
Correct. Thankfully, guidance is available.I don't get it.
I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."
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Are these citizens publicly opposing the health care bill or are they doing it privately?
I have a problem with the White House creating a list of people by tracing private phone calls or the individual in their house. If the citizen is CHOOSING to publicly oppose health care in a public forum then there is no issue here.
Is it your opinion it should be illegal for the White House to offer rebuttals to opinion and commentary provided by citizens on legislation?
Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways. :mrgreen:
1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.
2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.
3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.
4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.
5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.
6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.
7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.
BOTH.
So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!
It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.
Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.
Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?
I have failed to see where the WhiteHouse is populating this list through wiretaps and private conversations amongst citizens. Please provide a source if this is a case.
Actually, you don't get it. There is a huge difference between asking citizens to turn in their neighbors and asking citizens to provide examples of misleading information. I have seen no reliable information that the government is getting citizens to turn in their neighbors in order to make a hit list - Only rants from hyperpartisans who have a political axe to grind. However, should you come across some reliable information that this is happening, show it to me, and I will join you in condemning Obama.
Yeah that's it Dan; it's just a bunch of hyper partisans with an axe to grind. Carry on! :rofl
Man, coming from the guy who spent every waking moment chanting "the sky is falling" under Bush, this smacks of profound irony.
So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!
It would be authoritarianism if the WhiteHouse silenced them in anyway. Offering rebuttal is just participating in the public discussion on legislature that already exists.It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.
How can they engage them in dialogue if you want the White House unable to know who they are and what they are publicly campaigning against?Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.
The commentary said it was a hit list and honestly I don't know what the White House is planning to do with the list but I HOPE it is PR outreach on the topics being discussed and not silencing of those performing the campaign. If it is that, I have no problems with the compiling the list. Those on the list gave consent to be tracked when they choose to publicly participate in a political campaign.Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?
I see, so in your funny world, as long as the Government compiles the list from informants and not from wiretaps, it's okay. Got it! :rofl
Ah yes, it makes perfect sense to have one's Government concerned about the circulation of rumors on the internet and in e-mails doesn't it; who sounds paranoid again?
Show me your proof, and I will join you.
And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either.
Okay here you go Dan:
‘..a post on the White House's blog Wednesday in which users are asked to help stop the spread of disinformation about legislation to overhaul health insurance. The post offers an e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov, for users to forward anything "on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy."’
Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list' | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Politics | The Dallas Morning News
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You mean outside of the fact that his administration has specifically requested e-mails, which allows them to trace the sources.
That's a pretty big fact.
Hyperbolic assumptions. There is nothing showing how those that are on the list will be addressed.
People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?
So you wish to deny the White House the ability to participate and /or respond to individuals statements who hold public political campaigns against legislature?
The commentary said it was a hit list and honestly I don't know what the White House is planning to do with the list but I HOPE it is PR outreach on the topics being discussed and not silencing of those performing the campaign. If it is that, I have no problems with the compiling the list. Those on the list gave consent to be tracked when they choose to publicly participate in a political campaign.
Everyone, I was just informed by the head agent at headquarters that once we have compiled everyone's personal information, I will be ordered to change all your passwords...muahahhahahaha
Seriously, this is one of the dumbest of threads, sorry I just have to say that. This is delusional parania reaching unhealthy levels. People need to take a step back and use their noggins.
The Communications Director for the White House simply asked for people who saw misleading information to have this passed on to them so they could know what is being said. What, not by who, WHAT.
Do you get that, WHAT...not WHO....WHAT.
So if you see a webpage, you can e-mail that. If you get an e-mail, you can forward that as well. There is no request for who. You can use a hotmail account to even send for god's sake. All they want to see is the subject, the what. You know, kind of like the certain B.S. just posted here an hour ago about government is now going to access your bank accounts?
Think about the subject of this thread, maybe this belongs in..I don't know Conspiracy? No, because there is no conspiracy at work here. Everything is clearly there if people would just use their damn brains for once.
Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways. :mrgreen:
1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.
2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.
3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.
4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.
5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.
6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.
7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.
What you call rumors are the attempt of some to state facts that don't exist. One of the emails that I got attempted to make the case that the elderly would be encouraged to commit assisted suicide under the Obama plan. It was idiotic, but that is what is was saying. I do not believe it is unreasonable for the Obama administration to collect these emails to see what is in them.
If Republicans want to be honest about the whole thing, all they have to do is address ONE issue - THE COST. Scare tactics and other dishonest means are not even necessary, but it seems that the Republican party has now completely lost its way, along with all its marbles.
I remember, once upon a time, that the Republican party was a lean, mean, fighting machine that took no prisoners. Today, it is a broken down clunker, and the only sounds it now emits are the WHINING of gears. Should have traded it in under the cash for clunkers program before it was too late.
It's not the White House's job to respond to individual citizens opposed to their Big Brother plans.
Are the far left extremists the people who opposed the PATRIOT Act on purely partisan and totally irrational grounds? Aren't they now defending the collection of private personal information by their Messiah?
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