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Cops steal more than Burglars...

Good point.

I think we need to see the Trump era for what it is:

- It is not conservatism, even though it has some of those elements.
- It is not Republicanism (GOP), even though it has some of those elements.
- It *is* authoritarianism, through and through!

And if the Dems were smart, they'd couch it as autocratic authoritarianism, and run against that!
 

Oh OK so the whole thing is just made up..... Please show me more than a couple of isolated incidents where the police have lied about being assaulted. It's well over 100,000 cases with many of them going to the emergency room. Guess the Dr.s are faking medical reports?
 

Guess I would have to disagree if the dems run on autocratic authoritarianism to attack Trump it's going to be more of the same for them. Losing races.
The dems better quickly move from resist to something that will help the American worker.
 
Guess I would have to disagree if the dems run on autocratic authoritarianism to attack Trump it's going to be more of the same for them. Losing races.
The dems better quickly move from resist to something that will help the American worker.
Well they firstly have to run on the middle-class economics message, which may be hard to take-back from Trump. I think they should run directly against him here, attacking his lies and hyperbole. I have no idea why they didn't attack the August jobs report. They never mentioned it.

But they should definitely include autocratic authoritarianism as one of their platform points. In earlier days they espoused freedom and liberty, and they need to get back to that.
 
It get's people interacting and using those critical thinking skills doesn't it?


Frankly you've bored the **** out of me so far...

You have one site, few real numbers and those you do have are skewed. Don't ask why, I leave **** out so as to help make people think for themselves. But 'kill rate' is someone's invention.

If you want to look at corruption/abuse look at "in custody" deaths.
 
Guess I would have to disagree if the dems run on autocratic authoritarianism to attack Trump it's going to be more of the same for them. Losing races.
The dems better quickly move from resist to something that will help the American worker.

They already do that, the problem is, the American worker doesn't like their education based solution. They don't want to take a class for a different job in a field that is hurting for people, they just want a job without any extra effort. And anytime the Dems offer them that education, they cry taxes and how to pay for it. It's like dude, if you don't have a job, you're not paying taxes why are you crying about your taxes, and then they say, if we charge businesses to many taxes they can't give us jobs. To which the response is, businesses don't pay the taxes they're supposed to now, they use loopholes and in some cases pay less than those they employ. To which the response to that is invariably, nuh uh, that's just liberal lies we have the highest taxes. Then the liberals show some proof. To which the response is invariably, you're a communist.

We are stuck in and "Us vs Them" mindset, in which it doesn't matter what facts are displayed, all that matters is that your side wins. And really, the only way I see getting past that, is letting someone like Trump run with the ball unfettered and watch him fail, over and over, to deliver on the promises he made. Hey you checked in on those Carrier jobs he "saved" any time recently


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...-off-at-the-carrier-plant-trump-said-hed-save

Bet they wish they had a viable option for some vocational training now don't they...
 

this thread isn't even about that, you're complaining about the red herring I laid to keep the people that will never agree busy off on a tangent and not creating an echo chamber regarding the actual topic. You can say it's not a good idea to derail my own thread, but so far, I've gotten two people politically opposed to me MaggieD and American contributing in a positive way to the actual topic. And that is worth it, in my opinion.
 

I think you hit the nail on the head.
 
- It *is* authoritarianism, through and through!
How many of Trump's opponents have been assassinated? :roll: It's remarkable to see the people who are degenerating into partisan hackery.
 

I disagree with you.

I think if the democrats want to win.. they have to put someone out there that DOES NOT go after trump.

Two reasons:

1. The backlash effect. I see this with my parents. they both voted for Trump.. largely because they really really disliked Clinton.. and Trump "spoke it like it was"..

Now.. I can point out all the screw ups that Trump has had.. but they identify with their decision.. and even when confronted with facts.. they are more likely to "double down". and support trump.. simply because psychologically. an attack on trump is an attack on themselves.

That's the only way I can explain it.

The democrats are better off offering a an alternative to Trump with real credibility, and more common sense solutions that focus on their immediate middle class worries. Jobs, taxes, healthcare, security, medicare/social security, education.. middle class issues.

The second issue is that attacking trump is going into his wheelhouse. It plays to his strength. I think Clinton was smart not to attack trump very much. The problem was that most people were already decided about Clinton before she even started her bid for presidency.
 

I wish illegal asset forfeiture was the worst thing that some cops did.
 

When are we going to not only pay them, but treat and train and hire them like they should be? The solution isn't simple and there are a lot of great cops out there. They take on the scum and work with people. But the public doesn't have their back. Their administration doesn't. Their union doesn't. Nobody does really. And it shows. It is the equivalent of being a garbage man...but at least people don't hate garbage men.

And just to be clear...my statement is that we can continually expect scummy behavior because it the job suffers from the broken window policy. We are going to see the job become less popular for good people to join. And the areas that have always had problems are never going to get any better because they can't.
 
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