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But, I am not saying that...Who decides what a "reasonable distance" is? The police trying to bust in on a biker gang? or the citizen trying to catch them in something to discredit their actions?
You know, of you get too close to the Tiger cage at the zoo, it may attack you as well....
:shrug: initially his actions look fairly indefensible, however, it's pretty obviously clipped. We will see what fully comes out.
In the meantime, those who rush to jump on the cop are operating in as much dark as those who rush to defend him.
Let's remember too, that he is holding an AR15. Now if an officer attacks you unprovoked, without warning, do you have the right to defend yourself? Would you defend yourself knowing that unless a video is being shot somewhere else, you are going to be beaten and abused and charged with a crime because what you call sell defense they will call assault or resisting ect...
I posted another thread that proposes a new law for violations of the public trust....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...s-guilty-additional-crime.html#post1064549446
Why not just do away with police forces, and then we can truly be free, right?
I'm not convinced we can dismiss this one under the guise of network news motivations.
I do not think as a society we can tolerate officers who look at their activity as being above the law.
Why not just do away with police forces, and then we can truly be free, right?
Seems if she had done something he would of grabbed her and arrested her, or at the very least spoken to her about her actions, not the camera. Now you are right the video is clipped and we can't be 100% certain, but this one looks like it's going to be pretty hard to defend.
So you are saying cops are wild animals, unpredictable and deadly to those who dare get to close.
Funny, I thought they were rational human beings with a job to "protect and serve" the public.
If they are mindless animals why are we giving them guns and athority?
Nah, we want them to just go back to policing, not pretending to be PMC's in Iraq and us the enemy.
No, that's you trying like hell to justify your own dumb blurts in this thread...We don't know what was said before, or after that video clip, nor do we know why she was intent on taking video, or pics of the actions....How do you know she isn't part of the biker gang they were trying to interdict?
I am not saying that cops are "wild animals" that is your characterization. I am simply saying that if you act in a predictable way while they are trying to do their job, then their actions are predictable as well...To expect that you can just walk up for instance, while a cop is trying to effect an arrest, and get in the middle of what he is doing because you think he is being too rough, and not get arrested harshly yourself is just plain stupid.
Just as this lady was too close, notice that the other person across the street had no problems filming them....Now why do you think that is?
Nah, we want them to just go back to policing, not pretending to be PMC's in Iraq and us the enemy.
Yup. Having performed that task a couple of times, I can say that when you risk yourself to protect a populace that you increasingly feel chooses to view the law (and you, as its avatar) as the enemy, rather than the criminals, it's pretty crappy. A lot of the anti-coppers depersonalize the middle class dude with a tough job into some kind of hydra-monster "The State", and confuse childish rantings against the police officer with striking some kind of brave individualistic pose against the former.
Where are the "ride along" cop apologists?
Dudes dressed like he's blackwater, ****in coward.
The lady close to the cops was running her mouth.
The #hero's are supposed to be the professionals.
You made the comparison to wild animals, not me.
Hey, Newsflash there Rev....There are some pretty bad people out there....Maybe we can just start asking criminals to "pretty please" just give up....right?
So than she should have been arrested if she was interfering with an arrest and had her day in court. What legal authority does the police officer have to find her guilty and the punishment is he gets to break her camera. Seems to me that if she was breaking the law the footage would be used as evidence against her. Probably shouldn't have smashed it in that case.No, that's you trying like hell to justify your own dumb blurts in this thread...We don't know what was said before, or after that video clip, nor do we know why she was intent on taking video, or pics of the actions....How do you know she isn't part of the biker gang they were trying to interdict?
I am not saying that cops are "wild animals" that is your characterization. I am simply saying that if you act in a predictable way while they are trying to do their job, then their actions are predictable as well...To expect that you can just walk up for instance, while a cop is trying to effect an arrest, and get in the middle of what he is doing because you think he is being too rough, and not get arrested harshly yourself is just plain stupid.
Just as this lady was too close, notice that the other person across the street had no problems filming them....Now why do you think that is?
Maybe portions of the populace should then stop treating police like the enemy?
I see the similarity that you do. But that makes me more likely to grant the cop greater assumption, not less.
Ok, so you can't address what I just said in the post you quoted eh? Figures....I'm going to mow the lawn....This is destroying my brain cells....
Hey, Newsflash there Rev....There are some pretty bad people out there....Maybe we can just start asking criminals to "pretty please" just give up....right?
:shrug: at this stage in the game, half the country was convinced whatshisname in ferguson had his hands up and was trying to surrender. If we are going to lash out at a cop, we should make sure that we are right to do so.
"Cop apologists"?
Lol what an insane term.
765,000 Sworn Officers in the US and out of every few THOUSAND of them, there is ONE bad cop. Police are people, not machines. Some people can pass all kinds of training and poly's and still be as*@(@s. Kind of like HUMINT operators who decide to sell state secrets.
Get off your high horse. Most cops are good. The media doesn't report the 99.9% of good cops.
Let me just say, from the short snippet of what happened that we saw, I do NOT condone the police officers actions, however, don't we have to ask ourselves why it is that outlets like NBC are pushing this meme...? I mean, you and others that can be so easily manipulated by a 10 second snip of footage, and a narrative need to back up a moment, and check why you are falling for this silliness.
To those that are defending the cops actions or saying it's hard to tell from the short video, I have to ask what could have the lady done that would have made it legal for a the officer to destroy her personal property. Even if she broke some law does she not have to go before a judge before she can be found guilty. I wasn't aware that the cop on he ground was allowed to make that judgment.
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