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Uhm how do I know they self loath, because I was one of them, and I meet them in support group's. Unless you are a gay man you really have no idea what I am talking about.
Same-sex attraction IS a disorder. The fact that the corrupt lobby group APA removed it from the DSM without a shred of actual evidence to support the removal does not change that fact.
Same-sex attraction IS a disorder. The fact that the corrupt lobby group APA removed it from the DSM without a shred of actual evidence to support the removal does not change that fact.
This conversion therapy crap is a red herring. Its like talking about shock therapy to cure alcoholics.
The "cure" (not really a cure) for homosexuality is the same as the one for alcoholics: Support groups. Alcoholics who stay clean and sober admit that they have a problem and they seek support groups to stay clean and sober. Homosexuals who admit they have a problem seek support groups to remain chaste.
Oh, you never hear about those, do you. Thats because the propaganda lie that homosexuality is normal is in full hyper-indoctrination mode in schools and the media. But they exist and they do good work, and God bless those homosexuals who have rejected the mainstream lies.
.....Please don't quote my posts and say things about which you don't know what the "eff" you're talking.......
Same-sex attraction IS a disorder. The fact that the corrupt lobby group APA removed it from the DSM without a shred of actual evidence to support the removal does not change that fact.
Red:
Please don't quote my posts and say things about which you don't know what the "eff" you're talking.
I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Apparently you do not.
The APA is not some group of wonderful doctors, its a lobbying group. It removed Same-sex attraction as a disorder from the DSM for purely political reasons. If you don't know that then you should not start threads like this.
Same-sex attraction is a disorder.
See red.
I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Apparently you do not.
The APA is not some group of wonderful doctors, its a lobbying group. It removed Same-sex attraction as a disorder from the DSM for purely political reasons. If you don't know that then you should not start threads like this.
Same-sex attraction is a disorder.
See red.
It's funny, Trump Republican. At one time you would have needed to be answered, to be fought vigorously, for the sake of the rights of the 1 in 10 people who are BORN gay. Now, since those rights are assured, and most decent folk have rejected homophobia, up to and including many denominations of the church, your little minority of old school haters matter less and less and less.
In fact, the only reason that I'm responding to you at all on this one is because I've always been interested in extinct species, and have thought "it would have been nice to see the last dinosaur"...or giant sloth...or dodo. So...how does it feel to hold on to a hateful point of view, that is doomed to extinction? For me it would all feel a little pointless...like a lot of wasted energy to achieve nothing but the opposite of the desired effect. Does it bother you to see straight folks supporting, and even loving, gay folks? How does it feel to know that every time you share your pitiful point of view, it will be met with disdain, outside the circles of small and ugly folks who share it with you?
It makes me so happy that that kind of disgusting homophobia continues to die out in this country. We've made a whole lot of progress, which makes me very proud.
It makes me so happy that that kind of disgusting homophobia continues to die out in this country. We've made a whole lot of progress, which makes me very proud.
Homophobia, a disgusting made up word designed to make sick people look normal and normal people look sick.
I point out the truth that homosexuals suffer from a mental disorder and that means that I have the disorder, the phobia. Anybody who uses that word is an ignorant fool.
It's funny, Trump Republican. At one time you would have needed to be answered, to be fought vigorously, for the sake of the rights of the 1 in 10 people who are BORN gay. Now, since those rights are assured, and most decent folk have rejected homophobia, up to and including many denominations of the church, your little minority of old school haters matter less and less and less.
In fact, the only reason that I'm responding to you at all on this one is because I've always been interested in extinct species, and have thought "it would have been nice to see the last dinosaur"...or giant sloth...or dodo. So...how does it feel to hold on to a hateful point of view, that is doomed to extinction? For me it would all feel a little pointless...like a lot of wasted energy to achieve nothing but the opposite of the desired effect. Does it bother you to see straight folks supporting, and even loving, gay folks? How does it feel to know that every time you share your pitiful point of view, it will be met with disdain, outside the circles of small and ugly folks who share it with you?
Sir, I would never deny anybody their rights. I say homosexuals suffer from a mental disorder. Well, lots of people suffer from all sorts of mental disorders, but I do not advocate taking away THEIR rights, so why would I do that to homosexuals?
You can say it's a mental disorder all you like. You can continue to be factually incorrect all you want.
It IS a mental disorder and always has been. Do you know the history of the DSM and why it was removed from the DSM? Do you also understand natural law?
[From CaptainCourtesy]
Homosexuality's place as a mental disorder in the field of psychology was based on several factors: prejudice, theories without research, and research that was biased or poorly produced. Many psychological theories of the time saw homosexuality as a disorder, though these theories, such as psychoanalysis had no research on which to base these assertions. Much of these assertions came from religious dogma and the prejudice of the time. Over time, as research was done, most homosexuals chosen for research were those in prisons or psychiatric institutions, both populations of which are very skewed towards mental disorders. It was no surprise that those studied were found to have significant emotional disabilities. The other main population that was studied were homosexuals that were distressed about being gay. Again, since psychological distress is a main component towards diagnosing a mental disorder, this population, too, was skewed, as other variables confounded the outcome. It wasn't until Evelyn Hooker did her study, where gays who had no comorbid emotional disorder were compared to straights, also with no comorbid emotional disorder, that a true, unbiased, controlled study was done. Her study found that there was no difference in the emotional state of gays vs. straights. Her study has been reproduced many times with identical results, an essential component towards validity. Other studies have shown the same. The way that activism came into play was that gay rights activists pushed the APA to hear and review this research. That is the extent of the activism...getting the voice heard. Once the APA reviewed the research and saw it's validity, homosexuality was declassified.
It's funny, Trump Republican. At one time you would have needed to be answered, to be fought vigorously, for the sake of the rights of the 1 in 10 people who are BORN gay. Now, since those rights are assured, and most decent folk have rejected homophobia, up to and including many denominations of the church, your little minority of old school haters matter less and less and less.
In fact, the only reason that I'm responding to you at all on this one is because I've always been interested in extinct species, and have thought "it would have been nice to see the last dinosaur"...or giant sloth...or dodo. So...how does it feel to hold on to a hateful point of view, that is doomed to extinction? For me it would all feel a little pointless...like a lot of wasted energy to achieve nothing but the opposite of the desired effect. Does it bother you to see straight folks supporting, and even loving, gay folks? How does it feel to know that every time you share your pitiful point of view, it will be met with disdain, outside the circles of small and ugly folks who share it with you?
I actually do understand why it was removed from the DSM. In the interest of not wasting my time with you, I will leave you with another poster's explanation.........
They are full self loathing, I see them all time on Grinder. They will hit on me one night, the next morning they are back to making homo jokes with their beer buddies.
I used to take pity on them. no more. Its 2018 if you dont have the gonads and self respect to come out you get no pity from me.
Present one shred of physical evidence that can justify the removal. You cannot. Its all fake parameters with made up observations, all concocted out of the blue. Its crap.
Homophobia, a disgusting made up word designed to make sick people look normal and normal people look sick.
I point out the truth that homosexuals suffer from a mental disorder and that means that I have the disorder, the phobia. Anybody who uses that word is an ignorant fool.
Sir, I would never deny anybody their rights. I say homosexuals suffer from a mental disorder. Well, lots of people suffer from all sorts of mental disorders, but I do not advocate taking away THEIR rights, so why would I do that to homosexuals?
Red/Off-Topic:
You exhibit more forbearance than I. Kudos.
Not since before my late teens have I been able to deign to dignify antediluvian gospelers of dystopian notions. That's not always abetted my aggrandisement among certain others, but overall by anyone's objective measure, it's served me well or at least had no materially deleterious impact. Of course, what works for me may or may not work for others.
"Who in the world am I?"
"Ah, that's the great puzzle."
-- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
I still think it doesn't fit that most conversion therapists are closet homosexuals. That premise doesn't pass the common sense test.
1, Quite right.
2, This is from me, a naturally homophobic man, but that is my problem and I deal with it, can you put your perspective on this;
I cannot imagine that anything could turn me gay. I presume that given the total failure of such conversion therapies and the like it is stupid to try to turn you straight. So why if they are either gay or straight do thye think that any such idea is possible? What is going on?
I am sure some are in it for the money, others trying to help. But I expect today the strongest supports of conversion therapy are gay themselves and for whatever reason do not want to be so they try to convince themselves they are not, and seek to see proof by changing others from "being gay" to "being straight"
Well, that's a start, but there is no mental disorder here, merely a difference of opinions.Sadly the repeated pronouncement that it is a mental disorder has justified those who feel rights should be taken away or withheld in the past, or at minimum delayed bringing gay folks up to par with hetero folks. Why is it so important to you to perpetuate this falsehood? Why not simply live and let live? Seems a strange hill to die on for someone with no axe to grind...
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