Contradicting Holocaust Deniers' Ideas

[Gladiator]

Virtually every ME government during the Shah's reign repressed their populations.




You're completely wrong here. Hamas fired missiles at Israel the day after the withdrawal was complete.


Since the lifting of UN sanctions is dependent on Iranian performance, then it is the Iranians who must first comply with XYZ.


Baloney. The EU has been unilaterally involved in negotiations with Iran for the past five years. Iran has refused all EU initiatives and proposals.

......the Massadegh overthrow is like trying to connect the American Civil War to the sinking of the USS Maine. It just doesn't work.
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How about a Middle East thread titled, "Iran Hates Ike"

How many younger people remember the curcumstances of the Western coup against Iran in 1953? Is Iran's attitude toward the memory of Eisenhower relevant for understanding Iran today?

 

[Tashah]

How about a Middle East thread titled, "Iran Hates Ike"

Dull. You won't get many takers.

How many younger people remember the curcumstances of the Western coup against Iran in 1953?

Younger people? Very few are even aware of it.

Is Iran's attitude toward the memory of Eisenhower relevant for understanding Iran today?

Not Eisenhower per se, but the CIA involvement with Mossadegh. I believe it is relevant. Despite Ahmajinedad's rhetoric, the Holocaust has no relevance to understanding contemporary Iran.

 

[Vader]

How about a Middle East thread titled, "Iran Hates Ike"

How many younger people remember the curcumstances of the Western coup against Iran in 1953? Is Iran's attitude toward the memory of Eisenhower relevant for understanding Iran today?

Iran's supreme leader is an islamic terrorist. He is nothing but a ****bag who needs to be deposed and jailed in a non-islamic country.

 

[Gladiator]

Iran's supreme leader is an islamic terrorist. He is nothing but a ****bag who needs to be deposed and jailed in a non-islamic country.

Who is ready to replace Ahmenijhad? How many would be better? Of those you might prefer, how many would be executed by the Ayatollahs on trumped up charges, before how long?

Besides his insensitve insults to the West, what are your other complaints about Ahmenijhad?

Since tha Ayatolahs have the power of Execution, how do you plan to negotiate with Iran, which is a combinaiton of power between Politicians and the Islamic Clerics? How is assasinating one political leader in Iran going to change the basic power structure in Iran?

What have you offered in your attempt to form a working relationship with Iran? Iran is primarily interested in respect. Your comments and approach seem impatient and disrespectful. Is this a sincere solution to improve relations with Iran?

The power of the West is limited by what? The straits of Hormuz. It is simple as pie to block up that strait, and the West and the East would be starved for oil. Then all the Eastern and Western countries would go to war to try to get a bigger share of oil outside the straits.

There are a few more steps needed in a successful plan for Iran.



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[Vader]

One more point to be made here. In March of 2000, US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright gave a public speech in which she explicitly apologized for America's role in the 1953 overthrow of Mohammad Mossadegh. Iran has never in turn apologized for the US embassy hostage ordeal. Indeed, Iranian intransigence continues to this day...

Iran's Supreme Leader Rebuffs Obama

Terrorist-loving scumbags never apologize, Tashah.

Iran is a country the world could live without. Iran will continue to behave in this fashion until their current government is ousted.

 

[Vader]

Who is ready to replace Ahmenijhad? How many would be better? Of those you might prefer, how many would be executed by the Ayatollahs on trumped up charges, before how long?

Besides his insensitve insults to the West, what are your other complaints about Ahmenijhad?

Since tha Ayatolahs have the power of Execution, how do you plan to negotiate with Iran, which is a combinaiton of power between Politicians and the Islamic Clerics? How is assasinating one political leader in Iran going to change the basic power structure in Iran?

What have you offered in your attempt to form a working relationship with Iran? Iran is primarily interested in respect. Your comments and approach seem impatient and disrespectful. Is this a sincere solution to improve relations with Iran?

The power of the West is limited by what? The straits of Hormuz. It is simple as pie to block up that strait, and the West and the East would be starved for oil. Then all the Eastern and Western countries would go to war to try to get a bigger share of oil outside the straits.

There are a few more steps needed in a successful plan for Iran.



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If Iran tried to do that, all of their ships would be sunk. Iran's seaports would be destroyed and the Iranian government would become the most hated government on earth.

Their allies in China and Russia would turn on them. In short, the apes that run Iran (Yes, the mullahs, the Ayetoiletbowl, and Aminajackoff are all apes) would basically sink their starve their own country to death that way.

In short --- **** IRAN!!!

 

[Gladiator]

Terrorist-loving scumbags never apologize, Tashah.

Iran is a country the world could live without. Iran will continue to behave in this fashion until their current government is ousted.

So the networks of Islamic Clerics is without power?


I imagine there are factions within the network of the Islamic Clerics. Each faction has its own authority for Executions. I imagine that President Ahmenijhad gets a call every week from each faction, asking about his progress on their faction's agenda. Changing the Government of Iran is fairly simple. Changing the networks that control the government is beyond imagination.

The Sword of Dramacles is a Myth in which a man is sentenced to death, but has no idea of when the execution will take place. The image is a sword, constantly positioned over his head, held up by a thin thread, ready to break, and let the sword fall, at any minute, hour or day. In Psychological terms, this induces a statre of fear. In the perspective of real fear, lies and the truth are unimportant. Saving yourself, by frequently drawing attention to the misdeeds of others, and stressing your own morality, is your only realistic hope of survival. Anyone in government in Iran, has the Sword of Dramacles over his head, so long as the network of Islamic clerics remains in power. Both with the power of the Pulpit, and the power of Executions.



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[Gladiator]

If Iran tried to do that, all of their ships would be sunk. Iran's seaports would be destroyed and the Iranian government would become the most hated government on earth.

Their allies in China and Russia would turn on them. In short, the apes that run Iran (Yes, the mullahs, the Ayetoiletbowl, and Aminajackoff are all apes) would basically sink their starve their own country to death that way.

In short --- **** IRAN!!!

The first step is to make the Government of Iran stronger than the network of Clerics. All Punishment in Iran needs to come through the govenment. Clerics need to be jailed/rehabilitated, etc, and otherwise stopped, or disempowered from whippings and executions, all punnishments, etc.

Once the government is truly a Government, then you can try to negotiate or change, etc. The current government of Iran is not actually a government, but an emasculted government.

Counter-intuitive, Right?


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