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Nah.....like I said, the Democrats do not put as much emphasis on talk radio and television news that the Republicans do. All you have to do is look at media demographics to recognize that.
Influence? Well that is a much more complicated venture that I suspect deserves its own thread in the partisan section.
j-mac
Then why do all of you sound like you are copy and pasting talking points vomited out by them on a daily basis?
j-mac
Why?.....this thread is essentially about WHO controls the GOP. There was certainly a movement from the conservative right that was directly repudiated by this election. Who does the GOP look to now to lead them into 2010?
So, then just so I know for sure....you think that one loss signifies devastation?
j-mac
Devastation? No. I think it says a lot about the influence and power that moderates and independents have.
Don't get me wrong....I don't much care for moderates or independents, but I recognize that politically, they hold most of the power.
It was a huge defeat for those on the far-right that are trying to get the GOP to adopt the shun the moderates and shift to the conservative right strategy. The fact that that strategy was defeated in a district that was so strongly conservative and GOP does not bring much hope to those who want to spread the strategy to the nation as a whole. In many ways D-23 was a test case and it failed miserably for conservatives.
Not much to argue with there. The Indy's certainly showed Corzine who's boss didn't they?
A defeat? Yes it was. "A huge" one? Well, no so much....See, Hoffman came into the race late, was hugely outspent, and was for much of the time up against two liberals in the race. That he got as far as he did I think proves the lesson that the country is getting fed up with being told to go along, or if not being told that they are just too stupid to understand what is taking place right now. If you want to make hay, and put all your eggs in that one small basket, you are welcome to, but just a word of advice, this may come back to haunt you.
j-mac
Nah.....like I said, the Democrats do not put as much emphasis on talk radio and television news that the Republicans do. All you have to do is look at media demographics to recognize that.
I actually view this as a victory for the conservative movement that is attempting to oust the NEO CONS, RINOs, and others with less than conservative attitudes in the Republican party. Scozzafava was FLATLY rejected even though she had a "R" on her jersey. If the support for Hoffman had come a few weeks earlier, I believe he would have won. Hopefully is sent a message. If you aren't going to be conservative, don't expect support, EVEN if you have the "R" on your jersey.
How anyone can view this as a victory for conservatives is completely cuckoo:cuckoo:
I actually view this as a victory for the conservative movement that is attempting to oust the NEO CONS, RINOs, and others with less than conservative attitudes in the Republican party. Scozzafava was FLATLY rejected even though she had a "R" on her jersey. If the support for Hoffman had come a few weeks earlier, I believe he would have won. Hopefully is sent a message. If you aren't going to be conservative, don't expect support, EVEN if you have the "R" on your jersey.
Yes....the message that was sent was that the GOP can't win on a conservative agenda even in a largely conservative/GOP district.
Scozzafava wasn't conservative.
I'm not saying she way.....but the conservative candidate backed by many in the GOP lost in a district that even a moderate democrat couldn't come closer than 35 points for the last decade.
Not exactly an embracing of the new "conservative" GOP movement now is it?
A Moderate Republican would have easily won this seat probably by 20-50 points.
The GOP candidate wasn't in the race at all. Getting past the 2 party system is a huge feat. I am curious how many people didn't vote because no republican was on the ticket. and it was still a narrow margin. A majority vote Republican or Conservative....
Yes....the message that was sent was that the GOP can't win on a conservative agenda even in a largely conservative/GOP district.
Then you believe that the message is also that a liberal incumbent governor can't win on a liberal agenda even in a liberal state like New Jersey???
How about NJ so sick of the left they turned right?
Then you believe that the message is also that a liberal incumbent governor can't win on a liberal agenda even in a liberal state like New Jersey???
New Jersey has changed the party of its governor every election for about 30 years. Corzine was disliked and got the blame for the bad economy in NJ, plus he may have been corrupt. It's a different story in NY23, which has been represented by a Republican since the Civil War. The voters were aware they were being manipulated by Dick Armey and Glenn Beck, and they refused to go along with it.
New Jersey has changed the party of its governor every election for about 30 years. Corzine was disliked and got the blame for the bad economy in NJ, plus he may have been corrupt. It's a different story in NY23, which has been represented by a Republican since the Civil War. The voters were aware they were being manipulated by Dick Armey and Glenn Beck, and they refused to go along with it.
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