Congress apologizes for rendition and torture of innocent man

[danarhea]

I have a problem with Congress making this apology - Shouldn't President Bush be the one apologizing? But, on the other hand, since Congress DID roll over and play dead, thus allowing the administration to be put in a position where they could arrest anyone they felt like arresting, then I think the apology by Congress is appropriate.

Article is here.

 

[GottaHurt]

Hmmm, Syria tortured him, not us, and why is he still on our terrorist watchlist
and not allowed back into the US?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I have a problem with Congress making this apology - Shouldn't President Bush be the one apologizing? But, on the other hand, since Congress DID roll over and play dead, thus allowing the administration to be put in a position where they could arrest anyone they felt like arresting, then I think the apology by Congress is appropriate.

Article is here.

Maybe now he'll know not to associate with members of AQ.

 

[Adrian]

Maybe now he'll know not to associate with members of AQ.

Okay, I thought somebody else would have picked up on this by now, but where in the article does it say that Arar associated with members of Al Qaeda?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Okay, I thought somebody else would have picked up on this by now, but where in the article does it say that Arar associated with members of Al Qaeda?

Well, obviously he did other wise we wouldn't have sent off to the out-sourced tortured chambers now would we?

 

[1069]

I have a problem with Congress making this apology - Shouldn't President Bush be the one apologizing? But, on the other hand, since Congress DID roll over and play dead, thus allowing the administration to be put in a position where they could arrest anyone they felt like arresting, then I think the apology by Congress is appropriate.

Article is here.

The statement in bold text is telling:

"Members of a Congressional committee have issued an apology to Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen who was wrongly detained at JFK Airport in 2002 as a suspected terrorist and subjected to extraordinary rendition to Syria, where he was tortured into making a false confession."

Does infliction of bodily harm or the threat thereof make people truthful, or merely compliant?
Will they tell the truth, or merely say whatever they believe their assailants want to hear?

All studies on the efficacy of torture point to the latter.

I do recall hearing an interview with this gentleman awhile back; he mentioned that his assailants also threatened to bring his wife and children (a ten-year-old and an infant, I believe) over from Canada and torture or possibly kill them, as well, if Mr. Arar did not "confess" to what they wanted to hear.

Under the circumstances, there is not a one of us here who would not cheerfully confess to being al qaeda operatives, singlehandedly plotting the world trade center attack, and dropping by Bin Laden's cave for a friendly game of Tiddlywinks on a regular basis.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Hmmm, Syria tortured him, not us, and why is he still on our terrorist watchlist and not allowed back into the US?

Not surprised in the least that you're making up bullshit to defend torture. IT fits who I think you are.

Syria tortured him at our request. He's still on the watchlist because the as$holes known as Bushies never take anyone off that list once their added even if they're found to be totally innocent.

I love it when people prove how much they really hate America like you do Gottahurt by supporting torture which, IMHO is as un-American as Communism. It's as bad as Communism. It's equal to Saddam Hussein's thinking. In my mind anyone that is OK with America torturing anyone for any reason is a supporter of Saddam, Stalin, Amin, etc. and are most definitely America haters.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Okay, I thought somebody else would have picked up on this by now, but where in the article does it say that Arar associated with members of Al Qaeda?

It doesn't because Raw Story is a ****ing joke of a source, but here in the reality based community facts matter, and the facts of this matter is that Maher Arar met with Abdullah Almalki, who in turn was an associate of Ahmed Said Khadr who was running a charitable front for AQ and both Almalki and Khadr were under investigation for these AQ connections, sorry but if you're Arab in a post-9-11 world I suggest that you keep better company, I have no empathy for this man what so ever, this is how AQ operates it is nothing more than loosely connected individuals who share radical ideologies, if Arar is associating with Almalki who is associating with Khadr you can better your bottom ****ing dollar that he's a member of the death cult of Wahhab and a piece of Qutbist scum!

 

[Thorgasm]

Hmmm, Syria tortured him, not us, and why is he still on our terrorist watchlist
and not allowed back into the US?

Good one! Since we outsourced the torture, it's not our fault.:roll: Maybe he is still on the list and not allowed back in the country so he can't sue our government.

 

[1069]

In this interview I heard with Mr Arar, he was also demanding that the United States conduct a full investigation of him, his background, and how this mistake occurred, because he wanted the opportunity to clear his name and his family's name. His wife and children are apparently being mistreated by others in the community who still do not believe he was innocent and that it was a mistake.
He did not ask for an apology.
He asked for an investigation.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

It doesn't because Raw Story is a ****ing joke of a source, but here in the reality based community facts matter, and the facts of this matter is that Maher Arar met with Abdullah Almalki, who in turn was an associate of Ahmed Said Khadr who was running a charitable front for AQ and both Almalki and Khadr were under investigation for these AQ connections, sorry but if you're Arab in a post-9-11 world I suggest that you keep better company, I have no empathy for this man what so ever, this is how AQ operates it is nothing more than loosely connected individuals who share radical ideologies, if Arar is associating with Almalki who is associating with Khadr you can better your bottom ****ing dollar that he's a member of the death cult of Wahhab and a piece of Qutbist scum!

Yeah!!
****, ****, ****ity, **** the rule of law.
If someone comes into contact with anyone suspected of being suspected of being associated with aQ, torture them and their children.
Laws are for sissies who want aQ to gang-rape America's grandmothers
YEEEEHAW!!

God bless America
and George Bush our True Defender

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yeah!!
****, ****, ****ity, **** the rule of law.
If someone comes into contact with anyone suspected of being suspected of being associated with aQ, torture them and their children.
Laws are for sissies who want aQ to gang-rape America's grandmothers
YEEEEHAW!!

God bless America
and George Bush our True Defender

Ahmed Said Khadr, is not a suspected terrorist he is a terrorist, he was running a terrorist charity front, he even has a son who was captured in Afghanistan, sorry but I don't give a damn about these people, there is no way in hell that Arar would be associating with Almalki and Almalki would be associating with Khadr if they weren't Islamists, and Islamists should be treated the same as terrorists whether they directly engage in terrorism or not they are all part of the same disease that needs to be destroyed.

 

[Middleground]

Ahmed Said Khadr, is not a suspected terrorist he is a terrorist, he was running a terrorist charity front, he even has a son who was captured in Afghanistan, sorry but I don't give a damn about these people, there is no way in hell that Arar would be associating with Almalki and Almalki would be associating with Khadr if they weren't Islamists, and Islamists should be treated the same as terrorists whether they directly engage in terrorism or not they are all part of the same disease that needs to be destroyed.

TOT... I have to shake my head. You have no idea what you're talking about... I have followed this case closely, and this man is innocent of anything that involves any form of terror. Even the Canadian governemnt and the RCMP spent big bucks trying to find stuff and they came up empty. Wake up!

BTW... a big kudos to congress.

 

[1069]

TOT... I have to shake my head. You have no idea what you're talking about... I have followed this case closely, and this man is innocent of anything that involves any form of terror. Even the Canadian governemnt and the RCMP spent big bucks trying to find stuff and they came up empty. Wake up!

BTW... a big kudos to congress.

Middleground, I haven't heard anything about the case in awhile.
Do you know if Arar was eventually able to find work?
I know he lost his job when all this happened, and in the interview I heard he was saying that no one would hire him now, despite his having an engineering degree.

 

[Middleground]

Middleground, I haven't heard anything about the case in awhile.
Do you know if Arar was eventually able to find work?
I know he lost his job when all this happened, and in the interview I heard he was saying that no one would hire him now, despite his having an engineering degree.

I'm not sure, 1069. He did get a $10 million settlement from the Canadian government, a sum that many Canadians seems split on. Some were thinking it was too much, but I'm sorry... Maher will never get the year he lost back ever again. To me that is priceless, as he has young children. I just think that many still believe he's still guilty of something. Seems it's the case with many who are proven innocent only after accusations fly.

I believe that he's thinking about working for himself. His wife actually ran for a seat in city council... I think she finished second.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

TOT... I have to shake my head. You have no idea what you're talking about... I have followed this case closely, and this man is innocent of anything that involves any form of terror.

The Hell he is!

He was picked up by the govt. That means he's guilty as ****! The Bush Admin was selected by God to wipe out these violent religious fundies.

I see no reason why we can't torture his children. They've had terrorist contacts too! They harbored a God damned terrorist in their house!!
They're guilty as **** too!


God Bless America
and George Bush Our True Defender

 

[Middleground]

The Hell he is!

He was picked up by the govt. That means he's guilty as ****! The Bush Admin was selected by God to wipe out these violent religious fundies.

I see no reason why we can't torture his children. They've had terrorist contacts too! They harbored a God damned terrorist in their house!!
They're guilty as **** too!


God Bless America
and George Bush Our True Defender

Gosh, Simon... you're sooooooo cute.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Ahmed Said Khadr, is not a suspected terrorist he is a terrorist...

If you want to coddle Terrorists and make these fine distinction without a difference between terrorists and those who harbor them - terrorist lovers - then maybe it's okay with you if Osama Hussein and Saddam bin Laden rape your grandmother with a WMD missile.

Islamists should be treated the same as terrorists whether they directly engage in terrorism or not they are all part of the same disease that needs to be destroyed.

Amen, Brother. Destroy all them Mohamedans.
The Final Solution is the only solution.


God Bless America
and George Bush Our True Defender

 

[26 X World Champs]

It doesn't because Raw Story is a ****ing joke of a source, but here in the reality based community facts matter, and the facts of this matter is that Maher Arar met with Abdullah Almalki, who in turn was an associate of Ahmed Said Khadr who was running a charitable front for AQ and both Almalki and Khadr were under investigation for these AQ connections, sorry but if you're Arab in a post-9-11 world I suggest that you keep better company, I have no empathy for this man what so ever, this is how AQ operates it is nothing more than loosely connected individuals who share radical ideologies, if Arar is associating with Almalki who is associating with Khadr you can better your bottom ****ing dollar that he's a member of the death cult of Wahhab and a piece of Qutbist scum!

Fuc king unbelievable that you would have the balls, the conscience or the lack of intelligence (or all three) to write such a nasty and anti-American post!

You actually believe and want others to believe that guilt by association is a reason to torture?

I consider your position on this to be the epitome of evil. The sort of evil that makes terrorists want to kill Americans. Bottom line? You're contributing to terrorism against the USA! Using your convoluted logic you should be whisked away and tortured in Syria so that you'll confess to plotting against the US by torturing Muslims that causes the number of terrorists to increase! Get it?

Without people like you supporting American torture there would be LESS TERRORISTS and LESS Americans would be in danger....

 

[26 X World Champs]

Islamists should be treated the same as terrorists whether they directly engage in terrorism or not they are all part of the same disease that needs to be destroyed.

Now you've really fallen over the edge Trajan! You're advocating a "final solution" in the same way Hitler did or Saddam did!

Your comment is one fuc king sick statement and your damn lucky you live in a country that allows for freedom of speech because you've not only crossed the line of hate, bigotry and prejudice you've redefined how evil certain Americans who worship George W Bush really are.

 

[Happy Days]

The Hell he is!

He was picked up by the govt. That means he's guilty as ****! The Bush Admin was selected by God to wipe out these violent religious fundies.

I see no reason why we can't torture his children. They've had terrorist contacts too! They harbored a God damned terrorist in their house!!
They're guilty as **** too!


God Bless America
and George Bush Our True Defender

What a hypocrite! You're obviously as much an extremist as Bin Laden when you talk like that. OBL thinks that because we are American we deserve to die, while you think that because anyone is targeted by Bush they're guilty and deserve to die.

 

[26 X World Champs]

What a hypocrite! You're obviously as much an extremist as Bin Laden when you talk like that. OBL thinks that because we are American we deserve to die, while you think that because anyone is targeted by Bush they're guilty and deserve to die.

I suggest that you reread Simon's post! He was attacking Bush and the people in this Forum who support him and torture! He was also being sarcastic about the children....you really need to look it over again...Simon is the good guy here...now Trajan is another story.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

TOT... I have to shake my head. You have no idea what you're talking about... I have followed this case closely, and this man is innocent of anything that involves any form of terror. Even the Canadian governemnt and the RCMP spent big bucks trying to find stuff and they came up empty. Wake up!

I don't care if he's guilty of anything or not, at the very least he's an Islamist which is proven by the fact that he is associating with other Islamists, he may not be a terrorist himself but he is a fellow traveler.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The Hell he is!

He was picked up by the govt. That means he's guilty as ****!

Love to see the strong support for Islamists, he may not be a terrorist himself but at the very least he is a fellow traveler and because he is a member of the death cult of Wahhab and because he is a Qutbist POS I could care less what happens to him.

 

[Thorgasm]

Love to see the strong support for Islamists, he may not be a terrorist himself but at the very least he is a fellow traveler and because he is a member of the death cult of Wahhab and because he is a Qutbist POS I could care less what happens to him.

I just have to know where you got that phrase "fellow traveler" from? Was it Rush, Hannity, Savage, etc?