HorseLoverGirl
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My family was all racist. I was, too - it took a career in service to my country to unlearn what they had taught me. Speaking of truth, then, do you believe that the vice president of the Confederacy was right when he said these words:
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
But you won't reply, or if you do, it won't be seriously or thoughtfully. People like you almost never have the intestinal fortitude to do so.
Um, last I recall, it was the South that first attacked the North.
Oh, wait, I forgot - to you, everything that doesn't fit in with your fantasy that it really was the War of Northern Aggression must not be true.
My family was all racist. I was, too - it took a career in service to my country to unlearn what they had taught me.
No the North invaded the South. We stood our ground.
Riiiight. Y'all were just 'standing your ground' when you fired the first shots of the war when you attacked Fort Sumter. Mm-hmm, riiiiight.
For the times, he was right, given the climate of the South in the 1850's. One thing I have learned about history is that it needs to be seen through the eyes of the times. See what people tend to do is apply today's standards to history. No wonder things get taken out of context and people demonized. Take the Presidents for instance. GWB, perfect example. He went into Iraq thinking the intelligence we had was correct (it likely was) but now 12 years later, we ask where was his head? I think Saddam had WMD's there somewhere, but had them hid somewhere so the UN inspectors wouldn't find them.
Fort Sumter was ours! We had already seceded and taken our property with us.
Yeah - that's right.
Fort Sumter was ours! We had already seceded and taken our property with us.
So you racist? You identified you were racist? And then you decided to take penance by a job of great servitude to your country? ...
Man they did a number on you.:lamo
I was raised as a racist - though we never called ourselves such - and it was only during my Navy career that I learned how wrong it was, and it was then that I began to unlearn the racism I'd been taught by my family.
Yes the Navy can really indoctrinate you.
They say you rebel when you hit adolescence but then return to your roots at 40 so maybe you'll end up racist again?
Fort Sumter was ours! We had already seceded and taken our property with us.
Sorry, but that isn't true. What you can say however was that Lincoln was too hardheaded over the issue and instead of listening to his advisers and ordering the men back north he decided to play hardball and fail to recognize that the best course of action at the time was to remove all soldiers from the land. Doing otherwise in that situation was likely to make the enemy feel threatened by the US miltary presence in their territory and increase the chances of war.
South Carolina had ceded all rights to Fort Sumter in 1836. All rights. It was Federal Property. Belonging to ALL of the US.
You don't get to just steal Federal property and call it your own.
The South commenced hostilities, fired cannons on Union ships, seized Federal buildings, Forts, arsenals, Custom's Houses all across the South, and committed Acts of War --
*months* before Lincoln ever stepped into office.
You really don't get it, do you? By the time the Civil War started, ALL the developed nations of the world - including all the great nations of Europe - had banned our abolished slavery in their home nations (though not quite in all their colonies yet). It was becoming seen as more and more disgusting and shameful throughout the developed world...and America was changing, too. The South just didn't want to change along with the rest of the world.
We know Lincoln was hardheaded.
You mean yankee slaveholders. Don't forget slavery was rampant up north also. The Confederate leaders are in heaven. Who knows where the yanks wound up. We know sherman is in the innermost circle of hell.
You really should learn to be careful about what "they say". I'm in my fifties now.
The slave trade was a triangle pretty much. Ship the slaves from Africa to the Caribbean, trade them for rum, then bring others up North to sell to the South. Repeat process.
I wish I had have been raised racist. It would have saved me a lot of pain. Sadly, my parents were really good Christians. They aren't racist one bit.
I've always found raised racism fascinating. Reminds me of Stormfront. I didn't know anyone was raised racist until a few years back. Are you sure you wouldn't consider going back?
Fort Sumter was - like all military bases then and now - Federal territory.
Face it, ma'am - you're so deeply steeped in what you were taught likely since birth that it's difficult for you to accept what really happened. I can say this because I really do know how you feel - because it's the same way I felt whenever people told me what the Civil War and the Confederacy were really about, what my family and my schools in the South NEVER taught me.
You're only repeating what you were taught...and you're having a really hard time accepting that there was a great deal that you were not taught - part of which was that yes, the secession and the war that followed were at their base about slavery.
So you have a choice - you can either accept that there was so much that you weren't taught, that you honestly didn't realize that the secession and the Civil War was about slavery, and that the South's deeply-entrenched (and still extant) tradition of racism is a shameful thing indeed...or you can choose to cling to what you were told, even in the face of the words of the politicians of the time, words that disprove the beliefs you seem to cherish so deeply.
Did you not read what I wrote? By the time the Civil War started, ALL the developed nations of the world - including all the great nations of Europe - had banned our abolished slavery in their home nations (though not quite in all their colonies yet). It was becoming seen as more and more disgusting and shameful throughout the developed world...and America was changing, too. The South just didn't want to change along with the rest of the world.
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