however, if you own your own business that provides services to the public, you must provide them to all members of the public, unless there is a specific reason why that service cannot be realistically provided to an individual.
The Oberfell decision took care of all that.I wasn't trivializing it - just the opposite in fact.
First, All other men(and women) have an equal dilemma, therefore you are still equal.
Second, You can choose the contracts you engage in, you must simply provide a valid justification above and beyond simply that you're a bigot.
It's just that I've spent years around my brother and the gay community in San Diego and I've heard dozens of stories of incredibly blatant discrimination against homosexuals. It's a big reason why many of them moved from little towns all over the west and midwest to San Diego and other large cities, to find a place where they do NOT face discrimination in nearly all walks of life. It's far different now than 25 years ago, leaps forward really, but I find it amazing someone can be part of the gay community and pretend to believe discrimination against LGBT was not common as dirt just a few years ago, and still happens today. I'm not trying to be insulting - just literally amazed....
1.) Show me where a business has to host every event that walksinto their store.
2.) Businesses decline to do event all the time.
3.) Otherwise you should have issues with a black business declining to do a kkk event.
4.) It isn't about selling a cake. It is that their cake endorses and agrees with something that they religious beliefs do not allow for. You are forcing them to promote something and agree with something that goes against heir religious views.
5.)No I believe in he first amendment were free speech and religious views are protected from government intrusion.
6.) I believe that businesses have the right to turn down events that they do not agree with.
7.)If you do not believe that. then a black catering service has no choice but to cater a kkk meeting.
8.) It doesn't matter if they are a hate group according to your own argument they have no choice but to do the event or else they are discriminating against white people.
That is the argument before the Supreme Court right now.
Can you force an artist to do something that they find morally objectionable.
The answer is no you can't. This was proven when a gay baker did not have to bake
A religious cake or decorate said cake. Equal protection applies.
Completely unacceptable. A good idea and good business but we should keep this a free country.
:shock: It's authoritarian to say that individuals have the right to a make decisions? :shock:
Would it be authoritarian of me to choose to marry a white woman instead of a black man?
Yeah I don't get it either how libertarian equals authoritarian those two words are opposite.
If some went into a Christian baker's shop and asked them to make a cake with two dicks intertwined on top, would you accuse them of bigotry if they said no? How about a cake with an aborted baby on top? A mocking figure of Jesus? Does the baker have a right to discriminate against any of these?
The behavior of not doing something?
Individuals belonging to groups that are considered protected classes are protected so what is the point of your distinction and how is it relevant to this conversation?its not an odd distinction at all its factual and you agreeing with it or not doesn't change that fact that its accurate.
1.) correct but NOT because of they are black or christian or gay1.)Individuals belonging to groups that are considered protected classes are protected
2.) so what is the point of your distinction and how is it relevant to this conversation?
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OK I won't labor the point further I'm just not seeing how what your saying matters but I accept your correction and am moving on from it.1.) correct but NOT because of they are black or christian or gay
2.) Easy YOU asked if homosexuals should be a protected class, that doesnt make sense because they NEVER will be. But sexual orientation is in many parts of the country.
OK I won't labor the point further I'm just not seeing how what your saying matters but I accept your correction and am moving on from it.
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Show me where a business has to host every event that walksinto their store.
Businesses decline to do event all the time. Otherwise you should have issues with a black business declining to do a kkk event.
It isn't about selling a cake. It is that their cake endorses and agrees with something that they religious beliefs do not allow for. You are forcing them to promote something and agree with something that goes against heir religious views.
No I believe in he first amendment were free speech and religious views are protected from government intrusion.
I believe that businesses have the right to turn down events that they do not agree with.
If you do not believe that. then a black catering service has no choice but to cater a kkk meeting.
It doesn't matter if they are a hate group according to your own argument they have no choice but to do the event or else they are discriminating against white people.
jumping into a conversation midpoint like this and having no clue what was being discussed and making random meaningless posts that have nothing to do with the context of what was being said only makes your post look very stupid
"i" didnt make any scenario and in the point that was being made it mattered completely. Try to keep up so your posts can avoid mistakes like this in the future LMAO
But it DOES matter that the KKK is not a protected group and any business may certainly refuse them service. A cake is not an endorsement or participation in anything...it is just a cake. A public business is not a place to make political or religious statements and discriminating against any protected group because of your religion is illegal. If it wasn't we would still have segregation. Is that what you want?
Yawn-- it was completely on point to what was being discussed. Deal with the issues.
Please explain what your scenario has to do with anything here? oh thats right it factually doesnt in anyway shape of form. Seems facts keep proving you wrong and there factually is no force. if there was you could prove it but you cant. All you do is keep trying to convince us your FEELINGS are true but they are not. So here we are, you with a false claim and ZERO facts to support it LMAO. Please let us know when you can and provide ONE fact that makes your claim true. Thanks
LMAO nice deflection but it wont work. theres still factually ZERO force this is further proven by your inability to produce evidence of such. Please let us know when you can and provide ONE fact that makes your claim true. ONE ThanksI'm not sure what part of a court order would not be considered force. Let me know when you'd like to agree on basic English definitions so that a rational dialogue could be had.
If someone is an adulterer will you will bake them a cake?
If someone is a murderer will you bake them a cake?
If someone is a thief will you bake them a cake?
If someone has idols will you bake them a cake?
If someone doesn't keep the sabbath day holy will you bake them a cake?
If someone takes the name of the Lord your God in vain will you bake them a cake?
If someone doesn't Honor their father and their mother will you bake them a cake?
If someone is gay and wishing to get married will you bake them a cake?
Sorry folks. You can't have your gay and eat it too.
LMAO nice deflection but it wont work. theres still factually ZERO force this is further proven by your inability to produce evidence of such. Please let us know when you can and provide ONE fact that makes your claim true. ONE Thanks
Besides court order=force? Or do you dispute that?
Or do you onomatopoeia the calculus of bojanglification.
No it was creating a special piece of art to celebrate an occasion to which he had high moral objections and my analogy is perfectly fine based on your reasons as to why the bakere should be sued out of business. And as an example in the interviews he gave had it been for an adult swingers party he would have turned them down. Should he be sued and forced to use his talents there?
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