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How does a test that is developmentally inappropriate justifying mediocrity? I'll love to hear this answer.
I hear you, but the fact remains-the performance in public schools is piss poor. If teachers were raising scores I wouldnt have as much of a problem, but as it is, teachers claim the problems are because of issues at home (meaning its not a school issue that can be corrected), or because of the test-again without a suitable alternative.
In the mean time, students in private schools (the same ones more public school teachers send their kids to) and home schooling continues to outperform public schools.
As it is, many kids are simply passed through the system. Standards are falling. Do you disagree?
Why do teachers hide from objective assessment of their own performance? If its about the kids lets get rid of the slacking teachers.
Same drivel different poster.
i agree
no matter that many of the kids in the teacher's classroom thrive
that could not be because she is a good teacher
but when some struggle, the knee jerk (emphasis on jerk) response is 'the teacher is bad', no matter if the kid has weak aptitude and/or other innate barriers to learning
the kids with difficulty should be isolated, why should the kids there to learn have to suffer? Would you volunteer your child for that classroom?
i agree. they should be ability grouped
so, why are you blaming the teachers?
As stated, the problem is multifactorial. There is active resistance here to ability grouping, teachers claim being around kids who know how to learn and behave is helpful to those trouble kids-I dont know about that but even if true-how is that fair to the other kids?
What happens when kids are ability grouped and they tend to have more of certain minority ethnicities? Or english as a second language kids? Then it will be said that ability grouping punishes minorities, etc.
This is how it is here in california.
i know of no teachers who are opposed to ability grouping in class rooms
so, why continue to blame them for circumstances beyond their control?
i know of no teachers who are opposed to ability grouping in class rooms
so, why continue to blame them for circumstances beyond their control?
I know several, most of whom are elementary school teachers here in California. I certainly didnt make up that excuse.
They also say the problem with ability grouping classes is one teacher may get stuck with more of these kids, meaning they get lower assessment scores.
It's a freaking mindless slogan.
Any and every problem must be blamed on the teachers.
Hmmm, and that isn't a valid "excuse"?
The teacher isnt a student advocate. They are now a teacher advocate. Thats fine-just dont pretend otherwise.
The system has set itself up to punish teachers not to advocate for students that have learning problems. That is not the way to create a good environment for learning for either teacher or student.
I hear you but you offer no alternatives. Teachers oppose testing. They oppose private school/vouchers/home schooling. They always ask for more funding but state the problems are beyond their control.
I think we both recognize it does not work. Whats your suggestion?
This thread has as little to do with your issues with teachers as it does with your issues with unions.
Please stop trying to derail the thread
I hear you but you offer no alternatives. Teachers oppose testing. They oppose private school/vouchers/home schooling. They always ask for more funding but state the problems are beyond their control.
I think we both recognize it does not work. Whats your suggestion?
Not to have corporate control of schools is a good start.
http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ795152.pdf
Right. This doesn't do much to dispell those leftist tendencies teachers are known for.
What exactly is that suppose to mean? High stake testing is a corporate edict. That set up has not made for a constructive environment for learning. It doesn't address how students learn at different rates and have different abilities. Rather, it addresses children as some kind of commodity that should perform in standard unison. It's pitiful.
So you are blaming corporatism for this? How EXACTLY?
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