Colorado State House Bill 24-1348 (storage of guns) example of liberal idiocy (1 Viewer)

[stealthycat]

550 guns stolen out of unattended vehicles in Colorado last year, new law hopes to reduce that​

State House Bill 24-1348 took effect on Jan. 1. This bill prohibits knowingly leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the handgun is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is not left in plain view or that is in the locked trunk of a vehicle. A firearm that is not a handgun must be stored in a locked vehicle in a locked soft-sided or locked hard-sided container that is out of view. If the firearm is in a soft-sided container, a locking device must be affixed to the gun.




What is the core problem? People breaking into vehicles and stealing things. Liberal solution? Target the hundreds of thousands that carry in their cars and put legal restrictions and penalties on them. Ignore the criminals, target the victims of the crimes


I mean ... good gawd

 

[lynnwinslow]

550 guns stolen out of unattended vehicles in Colorado last year, new law hopes to reduce that​

State House Bill 24-1348 took effect on Jan. 1. This bill prohibits knowingly leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the handgun is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is not left in plain view or that is in the locked trunk of a vehicle. A firearm that is not a handgun must be stored in a locked vehicle in a locked soft-sided or locked hard-sided container that is out of view. If the firearm is in a soft-sided container, a locking device must be affixed to the gun.




What is the core problem? People breaking into vehicles and stealing things. Liberal solution? Target the hundreds of thousands that carry in their cars and put legal restrictions and penalties on them. Ignore the criminals, target the victims of the crimes


I mean ... good gawd

It sounds like you should move.
Isn't that what people advised when Roe was repealed and many states enacted stricter abortion laws?

 

[Xilnik]

550 guns stolen out of unattended vehicles in Colorado last year, new law hopes to reduce that​

State House Bill 24-1348 took effect on Jan. 1. This bill prohibits knowingly leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the handgun is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is not left in plain view or that is in the locked trunk of a vehicle. A firearm that is not a handgun must be stored in a locked vehicle in a locked soft-sided or locked hard-sided container that is out of view. If the firearm is in a soft-sided container, a locking device must be affixed to the gun.




What is the core problem? People breaking into vehicles and stealing things. Liberal solution? Target the hundreds of thousands that carry in their cars and put legal restrictions and penalties on them. Ignore the criminals, target the victims of the crimes


I mean ... good gawd

TABOR in Colorado makes it a little more complicated than that. Funding for police, infrastructure, etc. is tied in some way to TABOR, making it more difficult to crack down on crimes and improve security around cities and suburbs. Unfortunately, most Coloradans don't want to repeal TABOR, so we seem to be stuck with it. There's a reason other states have voted against similar tax-ceiling programs.

 

[Artymoon]

That's the way it goes unfortunately. When the word gun enters the conversation, it is usually seen as the problem by many voters. It would be neat if lawmakers would just make stiffer penalties for stealing weapons rather than put the burden on the owner.

 

[stealthycat]

It sounds like you should move.
Isn't that what people advised when Roe was repealed and many states enacted stricter abortion laws?

I don't live in Colorado right now

and it doesn't mean we can't discuss the idiocy of the law. It literally targets the would be victims of crimes and does nothing to stop criminals

its like a law banning women from wearing skimpy clothes because it might more attract rapists and modestly dressed women would lead to fewer rapes. What? the problem isn't the women, its the rapists ! the problem isn't the gun owners, its the people breaking into vehicles


don't you agree ?

 

[Mr Person]

What is the core problem? People breaking into vehicles and stealing things. Liberal solution? Target the hundreds of thousands that carry in their cars and put legal restrictions and penalties on them. Ignore the criminals, target the victims of the crimes

I mean ... good gawd

How would you solve the problem of legal guns getting stolen and resold? Would you, say, make it illegal to break into cars, steal guns, and resell them?

Because they already do that.

 

[stealthycat]

How would you solve the problem of legal guns getting stolen and resold? Would you, say, make it illegal to break into cars, steal guns, and resell them?

Because they already do that.

I'd say make the penalty for breaking into cars 50X harsher than it is now

and if a gun is stolen in the robbery ? 25 years minimum prison sentence

what i would NOT do is target the victims of crimes

 

[lynnwinslow]

I don't live in Colorado right now

and it doesn't mean we can't discuss the idiocy of the law.

I just did a quick search of your comments and the word "move"
I guess the move argument only applies with state laws that you agree with?

This was in a thread about states and health insurance.

what you can choose to buy isn't a Right .... sorry. Most of the "civilized world" doesn't have the Rights we do in the USA. And, people can move anytime they want, you can choose to do that

 

[stealthycat]

I just did a quick search of your comments and the word "move"
I guess the move argument only applies with state laws that you agree with?

This was in a thread about states and health insurance.

I'm discussing the idiocy of targeting victims of crimes to stop crimes

you think that's the way we need to do things?

 

[MamboDervish]

That's the way it goes unfortunately. When the word gun enters the conversation, it is usually seen as the problem by many voters. It would be neat if lawmakers would just make stiffer penalties for stealing weapons rather than put the burden on the owner.

Ridiculous. There is no evidence that stiffer penalties for stealing guns would have any effect whatsoever. NONE! In fact, when a person understands the motive for stealing guns, the entire idea is laughable.

"Responsible gun owners" should be made responsible for their guns. Period. It is hard to imagine anything more bone headed than purchasing a weapon to protect ones self and property, ... and than leaving it unsecured! How embarrassingly ****ing stupid is that?

 

[Artymoon]

Ridiculous. There is no evidence that stiffer penalties for stealing guns would have any effect whatsoever. NONE! In fact, when a person understands the motive for stealing guns, the entire idea is laughable.

"Responsible gun owners" should be made responsible for their guns. Period. It is hard to imagine anything more bone headed than purchasing a weapon to protect ones self and property, ... and than leaving it unsecured! How embarrassingly ****ing stupid is that?

Cool story.

My car is basically a 2-ton lockbox. Make the penalty for stealing weapons so harsh that people would think twice doing it should be the order of the day. But I realize most lawmakers don't operate on common sense.

 

[MamboDervish]

Cool story.

My car is basically a 2-ton lockbox.

Good! As it should be if you're transporting guns. You are wise.

Make the penalty for stealing weapons so harsh that people would think twice doing it should be the order of the day.

Why would this have any impact at all? It doesn't even work with murder when the penalty is death.

But I realize most lawmakers don't operate on common sense.

Lawmakers are elected by the people.

 

[Grand Mal]

550 guns stolen out of unattended vehicles in Colorado last year, new law hopes to reduce that​

State House Bill 24-1348 took effect on Jan. 1. This bill prohibits knowingly leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the handgun is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is not left in plain view or that is in the locked trunk of a vehicle. A firearm that is not a handgun must be stored in a locked vehicle in a locked soft-sided or locked hard-sided container that is out of view. If the firearm is in a soft-sided container, a locking device must be affixed to the gun.




What is the core problem? People breaking into vehicles and stealing things. Liberal solution? Target the hundreds of thousands that carry in their cars and put legal restrictions and penalties on them. Ignore the criminals, target the victims of the crimes


I mean ... good gawd

This is an example of what I've been saying all along- dumbassery will bring regulations down on your heads more surely than all the mass shootings and school shootings.
Dumbassery like the kid in the back seat picking up the pistol that slides out from under the front seat and shooting his mother with it. Dumbassery like the rifle laid on the back seat with one in the chamber and the dog firing it when he steps on it.
So some dumbass leaves his handgun in the armrest or glovebox and when a punk breaks in to steal loose change and cigarettes, well, now the punk is armed.

 

[Artymoon]

Why would this have any impact at all? It doesn't even work with murder when the penalty is death.

So your saying that criminals will do criminal things no matter the consequences and the burden should fall to the rest of us to cover their shortcomings?

Lawmakers are elected by the people.

Bingo. You get a gold star today.

 

[KingLeo]

If you are a legal gun owner and you carry it in your vehicle this law seems like common sense, not some infringement.

 

[stealthycat]

This is an example of what I've been saying all along- dumbassery will bring regulations down on your heads more surely than all the mass shootings and school shootings.
Dumbassery like the kid in the back seat picking up the pistol that slides out from under the front seat and shooting his mother with it. Dumbassery like the rifle laid on the back seat with one in the chamber and the dog firing it when he steps on it.
So some dumbass leaves his handgun in the armrest or glovebox and when a punk breaks in to steal loose change and cigarettes, well, now the punk is armed.

that could happen yes

who's the criminal and who is the perpetrator and who caused it all ? it wasn't the victim of the crime was it ?

 

[stealthycat]

If you are a legal gun owner and you carry it in your vehicle this law seems like common sense, not some infringement.

so the burden is now on the would be victim of the crime

how is that common sense ? its placing laws on gun owners to help when they're victims of a crime ?


what laws would you put on women to help then they're victims of rape?
what laws would you put on home owners to help then they're victims of robberies?
what laws would you put on drivers to help then they're victims of carjackings?

when do we ever put laws towards the would be victims and blame them for being victims of crimes ?

 

[MamboDervish]

So your saying that criminals will do criminal things no matter the consequences and the burden should fall to the rest of us to cover their shortcomings?

No, and better people than you have tried to put words in my mouth. It's a waste of time, so don't bother. What I am saying is that if you're such a ****ing idiot as to leave your sidearm on your car seat in plain view, you should be penalized when it is stolen, because you have FAILED to be a "responsible gun owner". But there is still no evidence that greater penalties would prevent that theft from happening - so why bother?

Bingo. You get a gold star today.

Thanks! Alas, there isn't a gold star available among the embedded emojis.

 

[KingLeo]

so the burden is now on the would be victim of the crime

how is that common sense ? its placing laws on gun owners to help when they're victims of a crime ?


what laws would you put on women to help then they're victims of rape?
what laws would you put on home owners to help then they're victims of robberies?
what laws would you put on drivers to help then they're victims of carjackings?

when do we ever put laws towards the would be victims and blame them for being victims of crimes ?

No it is a law that maybe makes it less likely that a criminal breaking into a vehicle will have easy access to steal a firearm.
It is really a infringement of your gun rights that as a legal gun owner you are required to take common sense precautions?
I think not.

 

[VanceMack]

The real stupidity in the new law is in that it doesnt accomplish anything. Follow the law, lock a gun in a hard sided secure safe stowed under your seat. Car gets broken into...safe gets taken...safe gets dropped on the ground from 4 feet and the safe pops open...gun is still stolen. Stow it in a locking soft case...same scenario...thief uses a pocket knife and cuts through the soft case...gun is still stolen.

This is typical of the retarded "Lets just pass new gun laws!!!" politician. Just more laws...with no regard to whether or not they are effective or even needed.

 

[stealthycat]

No it is a law that maybe makes it less likely that a criminal breaking into a vehicle will have easy access to steal a firearm.

what's the core problem ?

It is really a infringement of your gun rights that as a legal gun owner you are required to take common sense precautions?
I think not.

if everyone was required to have a big lock box in their cars and everything valuable had to be put in them .... just imagine how much we could reduce things that were stolen, right ?

are you in favor of such a law/requirement to be put on people ? you know, to help ensure criminals don't steal stuff ?

 

[KingLeo]

what's the core problem ?





if everyone was required to have a big lock box in their cars and everything valuable had to be put in them .... just imagine how much we could reduce things that were stolen, right ?

are you in favor of such a law/requirement to be put on people ? you know, to help ensure criminals don't steal stuff ?

I live in Colorado and I am a gun owner.
I would not leave my vehicle, lock it up, and leave a firearm on the seat in open view.
That is not an infringement of my 2nd Amendment rights, it is common sense.
And as a legal gun owner it is my responsibility.

 

[rahl]

I live in Colorado and I am a gun owner.
I would not leave my vehicle, lock it up, and leave a firearm on the seat in open view.
That is not an infringement of my 2nd Amendment rights, it is common sense.
And as a legal gun owner it is my responsibility.

If the government is trying to tell you where you can leave your personal property, on your private property, that is an infringement. The government has no such authority to do so. This is completely unconstitutional

 

[stealthycat]

I live in Colorado and I am a gun owner.
I would not leave my vehicle, lock it up, and leave a firearm on the seat in open view.
That is not an infringement of my 2nd Amendment rights, it is common sense.
And as a legal gun owner it is my responsibility.

ok, what other items do we need potential victims of a crime to lock up ?

can you imagine coming back from a concert, your car was broken into and a knife and a wallet stolen and police write you tickets because you didn't secure them good enough?

 

[KingLeo]

If the government is trying to tell you where you can leave your personal property, on your private property, that is an infringement. The government has no such authority to do so. This is completely unconstitutional

So I could park my car on your front lawn?
Currently no I could not because there are laws established by the government that says I can not legally do that.
Requiring gun owners to be responsible for the storage of their firearms is not unconstitutional in way way.