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Colorado Proposition 131, Top-Four Ranked-Choice Voting Initiative (2024)

Anagram said:
Why? What are the negatives you see from this initiative?
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It forces consensus and moderation because the next best thing to being the first choice in this system is being the second choice.

And nihilistic extremists like @Mycroft appears to be from his posts loathe consensus.
 
I fully support ranked choice.....maybe someday.
 
redbeer said:
Nah, it's just the left's way of getting around the EC.....they hate it. Ranked voting opens up huge avenues for large blocks of voters working together to control the election process.....it opens pandora's box. Always better yeah, nay, yes or no, this is just more muddled maybe, might, possibly bs.
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...this has nothing to do with the EC.

lol
 
redbeer said:
Nah, it's just the left's way of getting around the EC.....they hate it. Ranked voting opens up huge avenues for large blocks of voters working together to control the election process.....it opens pandora's box. Always better yeah, nay, yes or no, this is just more muddled maybe, might, possibly bs.
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This initiative doesn’t even affect the presidential race, not that introducing ranked choice voting would get around the electoral college anyway.
 
Anagram said:
That doesn’t really seem like a problem to me.

I would argue it is better for a plurality candidate not to win if they would lose head to heads with the other candidates.
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Well that's the point. The plurality candidate did win head to head against the other candidates. He might even have beat all the other candidates had he faced off against them individually. Yet thanks to RCV, someone else gets elected.
 
Anagram said:
This initiative doesn’t even affect the presidential race, not that introducing ranked choice voting would get around the electoral college anyway.
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It would cause much more third party candidates entering the races, especially in knowingly close races to help bolster their main party pick in essence giving them more votes, even though those people did not vote for them. Disrupting the normal way of votes being tallied today it very well will disrupt the EC system.
 
redbeer said:
It would cause much more third party candidates entering the races, especially in knowingly close races to help bolster their main party pick in essence giving them more votes, even though those people did not vote for them. Disrupting the normal way of votes being tallied today it very well will disrupt the EC system.
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RCV isn't being proposed for Presedential elections, at least not that I'm aware.
 
eman623 said:
Well that's the point. The plurality candidate did win head to head against the other candidates. He might even have beat all the other candidates had he faced off against them individually. Yet thanks to RCV, someone else gets elected.
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If he lost to a candidate via RCV then he 100% would not beat all the other candidates individually (which is what I meant by head-to-head). That is what RCV does.
 
Mycroft said:
I cancelled your vote by voting no.
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... I see your negation and negate it with a 'yes' vote, putting her back in the driver's seat.

redbeer said:
Nah, it's just the left's way of getting around the EC.....they hate it. Ranked voting opens up huge avenues for large blocks of voters working together to control the election process.....it opens pandora's box. Always better yeah, nay, yes or no, this is just more muddled maybe, might, possibly bs.
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It has ZERO to do with the EC. I think you confusing this with the National popular vote initiative..
 
Roadvirus said:
Ranked Choice Voting.
Aptly named. Very rank.

While idiots in Colorado, Idaho & Oregon want to enact it, Alaska's grown allergic to it & has a ballot measure to 86 it.
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Do you actually have a reason you object to ranked choice voting or do you simply like trite sound bites?
 
upsideguy said:
Do you actually have a reason you object to ranked choice voting or do you simply like trite sound bites?
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It confuses voters who are used to the simpler method for one thing.
 
We had ranked choice in primaries here in Virginia a few years back. I didn’t care for it, but I have been seriously disappointed in the quality of many candidates over the past 20 plus years. If it would generate more highly qualified candidates, I might change my mind.
 
Mycroft said:
When anybody, no matter what party they belong to...or even if they don't belong to a party...can vote in any party's primary, then that party's actual members lose control over their party. That party becomes irrelevant.
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Party's can still have private primaries to decide who to send to the open state primary.
 
Roadvirus said:
It confuses voters who are used to the simpler method for one thing.
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That is kind of weak... It would not take long for the voters to understand this. Do you have a better argument?

I like it because it opens the field for unaffiliated voters to stand on their own. People can vote them without feeling they are "wasting their vote"
 
donhughesmusic said:
As they should be. The majority of voters don't play identity politics.
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Nonsense.

Hell, we see identity policts played here on DP constantly. We see the media play identity politics daily. And we see voters playing identity politics, as well.

What do you think campaign rallies are for?

Voters LOVE their political clubs (parties).
 
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