Cohen is an admitted liar many times over - who now claims people should be believe him when he says "believe me, everything I said was a lie" in exchange for reduced sentencing.
Worst witness ever.
Besides, even if everything Cohen said is true it does not implicate Trump (nor any WH staff or Trump managers of his businesses) in any illegal conduct. So the worst witness ever still has nothing to say harming President Trump.
Only idiots believe that talking to Russians or wanting to do business in Russia is a crime.
Well I would say Manafort is the worst witness ever as he was trying to work both ends at the same time, lying to one or both parties (Mueller and the Trump team) at the same time.
At least Cohen kept that much straight. He was either truthful when he was covering for Trump or truthful now that he is no longer covering for Trump. But he has not been working both ends against the middle. Cohen's story now is diametrically opposed to what it was. So he is either lying now or was lying then. But he could not have been lying in both instances. You can decide for yourself at this date when Cohen was lying. But he was not lying in both instances.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cohen...lin-for-help-with-trump-tower-moscow?ref=wrap
The president downplays his knowledge of the project, but his ex-fixer says he knew a lot—and that a cover-up before Congress was crafted while talking to Trump’s lawyers.
Another bombshell lobbed by Michael Cohen exploded late Friday night: He says he told Donald Trump about a phone call to the Kremlin asking for the Russian government’s help to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in 2016.
And Cohen also claims he was talking to Trump’s lawyers and White House staff in 2017 while he crafted a misleading statement to Congress seeking to cover up the truth about the Moscow project and the level of Trump’s involvement.
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Looks like the walls are closing in on The Donald. He could have helped Cohen early on but his fate is sealed now.
Cohen is an admitted liar many times over - who now claims people should be believe him when he says "believe me, everything I said was a lie" in exchange for reduced sentencing.
Worst witness ever.
Besides, even if everything Cohen said is true it does not implicate Trump (nor any WH staff or Trump managers of his businesses) in any illegal conduct. So the worst witness ever still has nothing to say harming President Trump.
Only idiots believe that talking to Russians or wanting to do business in Russia is a crime.
So we are supposed to now believe someone who has admitted to lying in connection to this case already ?
It may well be true but I'm going to need something more than just Cohen's word to believe it.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cohen...lin-for-help-with-trump-tower-moscow?ref=wrap
The president downplays his knowledge of the project, but his ex-fixer says he knew a lot—and that a cover-up before Congress was crafted while talking to Trump’s lawyers.
Another bombshell lobbed by Michael Cohen exploded late Friday night: He says he told Donald Trump about a phone call to the Kremlin asking for the Russian government’s help to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in 2016.
And Cohen also claims he was talking to Trump’s lawyers and White House staff in 2017 while he crafted a misleading statement to Congress seeking to cover up the truth about the Moscow project and the level of Trump’s involvement.
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Looks like the walls are closing in on The Donald. He could have helped Cohen early on but his fate is sealed now.
He lied on Trump's behalf for so many years we can't trust him when he testifies about Trump?
Careful...this is Earth and we've got a lot of people; an Irony Singularity would be a problem.
So we are supposed to now believe someone who has admitted to lying in connection to this case already ?
It may well be true but I'm going to need something more than just Cohen's word to believe it.
How? Trump only employs liars.
Nope I'm saying Cohen has a long history of lying so before I would believe him I want more evidence. I felt the same way about Cohen when he was twisting the truth in favor of Trump. Cohen should be taken with a grain of salt no matter what he says unless there is proof backing up his story. My skepticism of his word is not a New thing.
Ok so we agree Cohen is a liar. Do you believe this known liar now at face value because what he is saying falls in line with your views or do you think there needs to be more than just Cohen's word to believe what he claims.
I don't know if he is telling the truth or lying more, that's why I want more sources or evidence.
Good then don't bother replying to my posts then it will save us both time.Point one: only a person close to Trump can properly testify on any illegal actions he may have taken.
Point two: Trump only employs liars.
Point three: you only accept the word of non-liars.
You've engineered a standard so that you're never in any danger of seriously considering that trump may have committed crimes, which is why convincing trump supporters that trump may have committed crimes is of precisely zero interest to me.
Good then don't bother replying to my posts then it will save us both time.
Yeah, notice how the Trump faithful roll. Working for Trump? The guy is a ****ing rock, he'd take a bullet for POTUS.
Trump's long time confidante, personal attorney, special counsel (his title), executive VP. A fine guy Trump talked well of.
Cohen's home raided by FBI in relation to Trump? OMFG, Cohen is on the outs.
Now, cohen is a pathological liar.
Funny to see you guys really claim this bull****, it's sick. At least Cohen had the decency to come clean and cooperate like a man...he gets some redemption. the angle-biters that now suddenly attack him...what swamp you guys are splashing around in.
I'm happy to point out that you've created an artificial standard that's designed to be impossible to meet, which means your entire presence in this thread is a sham.
Ok so we agree Cohen is a liar. Do you believe this known liar now at face value because what he is saying falls in line with your views or do you think there needs to be more than just Cohen's word to believe what he claims.
I don't know if he is telling the truth or lying more, that's why I want more sources or evidence.
The standard of wanting more evidence than a know liars word is impossible in your eyes?
So address the dilemma these points present:
Point one: only a person close to Trump can properly testify on any illegal actions he may have taken.
Point two: Trump only employs liars.
Point three: you only accept the word of non-liars.
Show us the crack in the armor you've created there.
I don't claim Trump only employees liars. That's your bag baby doll.
I've said Cohen is a liar and I don't believe him at face value. I've also said he could be telling the truth on this and if he has some evidence proving what he claims then I would believe this. Until then I'll take it with a grain of salt and stay skeptical about it.
Nope I'm saying Cohen has a long history of lying so before I would believe him I want more evidence. I felt the same way about Cohen when he was twisting the truth in favor of Trump. Cohen should be taken with a grain of salt no matter what he says unless there is proof backing up his story. My skepticism of his word is not a New thing.
Uhuh.
The guy Trump paid to lie lied a lot while being paid to do so by Trump, therefore, you need to doubt him when he says things ("lies") about Trump....
....because Trump paid him to lie about Trump or...wait...WHAT?! Either Trump criminally lied to his honest attorney thereby making him present false testimony in his name or Trump worked with his dishonest attorney to craft the lies, then went along with them.
There's no spin that can work here, dude. Either he's telling the truth and Trump is a criminal, or he's lying and Trump is a criminal. There's no way Cohen can be a liar in a way that makes Trump innocent, meanwhile the other possibility is worse (about Trump).
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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I don't claim Trump only employees liars. That's your bag baby doll.
I've said Cohen is a liar and I don't believe him at face value. I've also said he could be telling the truth on this and if he has some evidence proving what he claims then I would believe this. Until then I'll take it with a grain of salt and stay skeptical about it.
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