This legal dispute started under the first Bush dude, and it hasn't been resolved since so lets not forget to include Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama as so pathetic they can't resolve a debt collection from a single citizen.
And lets not forget that the BLM did round up a lot of Bundy's cattle for the purpose of reselling them to pay his debt but the fanatics guarding him were prepared to act violently even placing women in the line of fire by using them as human shields, need I post that video again? And police decided that it wasn't worth another Waco, Texas to obtain a bunch of cattle and settle the debt.
There's some facts for you.
I believe the RW position is that the government unlawfully sprang upon an American citizn with and unauthorized para-military unit, spent 2 million dollars+ in the process and STILL didn't recover the money.
I think the disconnect here is between:Still waiting to hear what was unlawful, cite which laws they broke by trying to get the deadbeat lawbreaker to pay up.
If it was an inner city gang you and your ilk wouldnt say a ****ing thing about it and neither would the administration.The debt is up to a million dollars, its not exactly much to the entire Federal government but its not exactly chump change either for a single fairly unweathly person to ring up either. Also a lot of law involves costs which would outweigh the benefit, and sometimes thats a good point, however the extra cost in this case was brought about due to the "Patriot movement" guys showing up. Now its more than a issue of unpaid fees its an issue of whether or not it will become acceptable to use the threat of force, the use of human shields, and the like to avoid paying one's dues to the government for breaking the law. I mean its hard to put a monetary value on the damage that would be done if we simply let these people get away with this, its practically armed rebellion at this point.
Now I don't know exactly why the local Sheriff, who by the way is a city not a Federal employee or even a state employee but who happened to be working with the Feds, decided it was too risky to continue holding this cattle but whats clear is that he thought that the risk was too great that it compelled law enforcement to retreat. If you as a criminal become enough of a threat that you can compel law enforcement to retreat, where you can match them force-to-force I think it almost always for the sake of the rule of law that you be brought down one way or another.
Shoot what if this was a gang that had taken over several city blocks and managed to somehow amass enough firepower and manpower to compel the police to retreat? Would you be ok if the police just left them there as is?
If it was an inner city gang you and your ilk wouldnt say a ****ing thing about it and neither would the administration.
If it was an inner city gang you and your ilk wouldnt say a ****ing thing about it and neither would the administration.
What about the fact the NYT took a quote out of contect to tried and destroy the guy with this scummy move.
Does it bother you? Isn't it more vile than what Bundy was supposedly accused of saying?
I haven't read any news stories about it, but I can see how easy it would be to edit out a few paragraphs and make it seem ridiculously racist rather than mildly so.Again, I've read the ENTIRE interview, even in context its racist. I haven't read one news story covering this that didn't acknowledge the racism of the remark. Not only the times.
I haven't read any news stories about it, but I can see how easy it would be to edit out a few paragraphs and make it seem ridiculously racist rather than mildly so.
No tantrum...absolute fact. You offered a fantasy scenario. Plain and simple fact is that if it involves inner city gangs you wouldnt say **** about it, this administration wouldnt do anything about it, and IF they sent in an armed response you would be ****ting yourself over the inappropriate nature of the response.I asked if you'd find it acceptable if the police just left it as in and backed off because the financial cost was too great to take back that part of the city.
You dodged that question and threw a tantrum instead.
:lamoOh please. Argument by Hypothetical is a pretty lame tactic, especially a hypothetical that asinine.
No tantrum...absolute fact. You offered a fantasy scenario. Plain and simple fact is that if it involves inner city gangs you wouldnt say **** about it, this administration wouldnt do anything about it, and IF they sent in an armed response you would be ****ting yourself over the inappropriate nature of the response.
What.:lamo
You GET that what was PROPOSED was a hypothetical...right?
FM
To clarify.CLIVE BUNDY HOAX EXPOSED: Cliven Bundy is NOT a RACIST ! - YouTube
I had trouble finding a full video, but this starts well before the infamous remark. Even though this is a video meant to clear him of racism, you can judge for yourself. I find it offensive to propose slavery is good for anyone
He just said he did.:lamo
You GET that what was PROPOSED was a hypothetical...right?
FM
Is it rational for someone to desire that a confrontation has to end in a fight?
The BLM would have started the fight.
Even Fux Snooze has acknowledged the racist nature of Bundy's remarks.Again, I've read the ENTIRE interview, even in context its racist. I haven't read one news story covering this that didn't acknowledge the racism of the remark. Not only the times.
gotcha. You are on the record now as saying you believe this was their only option, and the administration is so completely inept that they even ****ed up handling a basic debt collection. :lamo
If anything, it's been the militia groups who have come to Bundy's aid who have tried to escalate the violence just to gain attention much like Waco, TX or Ruby Ridge several years ago. And please, don't get me wrong. IMO, the government was wrong in both cases because the agents involved used poor judgment and excessive force even though the law was on their side. But in this case, I'd say the BLM & FBI have both used good judgment and restraint. Yet, at every turn it appears they're being provoked to strike first blood.
Bundy should just give up while he still can.
The BLM would have started the fight.
I had a feeling Bundy was going to say something outrageously stupid,anyone that hailed him as a hero should be raked over the coals.Having said that,the whole issue over his grazing cattle has always been for me about the way BLM handled the cattle round-up and not Bundy himself.
So you think the Govts. actions had nothing to do with Bundy? The Fed "overkill" as you probably describe it comes from a history of dealing with members of similar groups with similar beliefs like Timothy McVeigh or Randy Weaver.
What did the Clinton administration do? Since...you know...thats when it startedWhat did the Bush administration do about Bundy? Imo, it just looks like another mopping up left by Obama's predecessors.
You want to keep pressing your fairy tale hypothetical scenario? Your like minded buddies here apparently think your hypothetical posings are rather...whats the word they used...lame.You still haven't said what you'd do about it. So I'm just going to assume like any reasonable person you'd want the police to restore law and order, as would I, so why shouldn't the police enforce the law and restore law and order the area surrounding and including Cliven Bundy's ranch?
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