Clinics ask how O'Reilly got abortion records

[KidRocks]

How did O'Reilly get those abortion records? What's going on at FoxNews?












http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/06/abortion.records.ap/index.html

TOPEKA, Kansas (AP) -- Two abortion clinics asked the state's highest court Monday to investigate Attorney General Phill Kline and Fox television's Bill O'Reilly over O'Reilly's statements that he had information from Kansas abortion records.

A Kline spokeswoman called the move "a political ploy."

The clinics' attorneys want the Kansas Supreme Court to seize records that Kline, an outspoken abortion opponent, obtained on 90 of the clinics' patients.

Kline received edited versions of the records from a district judge on October 24 after arguing he wanted to review the records for evidence of possible crimes including rape and illegal abortions.

The attorneys asked the court to appoint a special prosecutor to determine if O'Reilly's information came from the records turned over to Kline.

O'Reilly said Friday on his show "The O'Reilly Factor" that an inside source gave him information that a doctor at one of the clinics, George Tiller, had performed late-term abortions because patients were depressed. O'Reilly deemed it "executing babies."...

 

[BubbaBob]

How did O'Reilly get those abortion records? What's going on at FoxNews?

It's called the Freedom of Information Act.

BubbaBob

 

[Calm2Chaos]

It's called the Freedom of Information Act.

BubbaBob

I highly doubt the freedom of information act covers active medical records. Hipa covers that, and I don't belive you are allow to acces private medical records unless permission is given specifically to you.

 

[doughgirl]

I don't know what the big deal is........there isn't such a thing as an illegal abortion.........you can abort a child up until its normal delivery date and Tiller is well known for doing just this. Pro-abortion camp is up in arms because they dont want the public to think they condone abortion this far along.


Why would the democrats be outraged over this.......they all voted for late term abortions anyway and most are against parental notification.

If your curious.......here is George Tillers website.

http://www.drtiller.com/

"We have an unparalleled record of safey in late abortion services and we have more experience in late abortion services over 24 weeks than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere, Europe and Australia."

"At Women's Health Care Services, we specialize in "late" abortion care. We are able to perform elective abortions to the time in the pregnancy when the fetus is viable. Viability is not a set point in time. Viability is determined by the attending physician and is based on sonogram results, physical examination and last menstrual period date (if known). Our telephone counselors will ask you a number of medical questions to determine if you are eligible for an elective abortion. If you have visited another clinic or physician, we will ask for the results from a recent ultrasound."

"Kansas law allows for post-viability abortion procedures when continuing the pregnancy is detrimental to the pregnant woman's health."

So if a woman is depressed and says she is suicidal.....I am sure he would say it is in her best interest to abort.


They dont give a rats arse about ultrasound......they will do it anyway.


"Fees may be paid with cash, MasterCard, Visa, American Express, Discover, money orders, traveler's checks, or cashier's checks. Personal checks are not accepted. Assistance will be provided for filing other insurance claims."

I killed my child and put it on my Visa............As for filing other insurance claims.......I am sure Tiller wants his kick backs.

The guy is a scumbag.

And if you go to his "Informed Consent" page.......gestational age goes up to 40 weeks. That ought to say something.

Go to the "Get me a pastor I just killed my child" page..

"The Chaplaincy program is designed to bring spiritual resources to those who come to the Clinic for help and assistance. Spiritually, abortion is acceptable in ten of the world's religions and in Christianity many denominations affirm and uphold the right of a woman to make the choice of abortion."

What a lie.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Personally, I'd think that people are more up in arms because confidential medical records for legal procedures were handed over to the Attorney General for political purposes-- and quite possibly then handed to a national television personality.

I've got no problem with political opposition to Dr. Tiller's clinic; it's needlessly barbaric and intended to circumvent what little abortion laws exist in this country.

Worth noting, however, is that neither Roe v. Wade nor Doe v. Bolton prevents either the Federal Government or the State of Kansas from prohibiting late-term abortions, nor from refusing to consider "depression" valid medical justification for abortion.

If Kansas' lawmakers were actually interested in prohibiting this-- instead of trying to score political points with the pro-life movement-- they could have done so easily.

"The Chaplaincy program is designed to bring spiritual resources to those who come to the Clinic for help and assistance. Spiritually, abortion is acceptable in ten of the world's religions and in Christianity many denominations affirm and uphold the right of a woman to make the choice of abortion."

What a lie.

What is a lie about this statement? I see nothing factually inaccurate here.

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

Um.There's no problem here.If he wants to call it what he wants he can.Hey 1st amendment, what's up.The information he obtained had to be by legal means or he'd be screwed right about now.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Um.There's no problem here. If he wants to call it what he wants he can. Hey 1st amendment, what's up.

Yes, he can. I don't think anyone's arguing that he can't, or even that he shouldn't.

The information he obtained had to be by legal means or he'd be screwed right about now.

That's what is being investigated right now. See, it may or may not have been legal for Kline to request those records-- depending on their pertinence to a valid investigation-- but if O'Reilly got those records from Kline, that was definitely and incontrovertibly illegal.

Not on O'Reilly's part; he's guilty of nothing more than poor taste. On Kline's part, however, such conduct would be a felony... which cannot be allowed to stand for a public official charged with upholding the law.

 

[hipsterdufus]

It's the long arm of Fox Security. They're everywhere man...

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

Well watch the factor tonight he's gonna report on what's going on about this whole thing later and then you can find out if anything was "illegal" or not.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Well watch the factor tonight he's gonna report on what's going on about this whole thing later and then you can find out if anything was "illegal" or not.

Right after Hell freezes over....

 

[jallman]

I don't know what the big deal is........there isn't such a thing as an illegal abortion.........you can abort a child up until its normal delivery date and Tiller is well known for doing just this. Pro-abortion camp is up in arms because they dont want the public to think they condone abortion this far along.

Ok, doughgirl, lets start with the same old routine. I am sure you know the volley by now.

There is no such thing as a pro-abortion camp. There is a pro-choice camp, but to call it pro-abortion is dishonest and hysterical. Secondly, in Kansas, partial birth abortions are rightfully illegal except in cases where the mother's life is in danger. Don't lie and say that all pro-choicers believe in and advocate late term abortions.

Why would the democrats be outraged over this.......they all voted for late term abortions anyway and most are against parental notification.

I would like to see some source that shows ALL democrats voted for late term abortions. Let's please try to keep the hysterics and fact aversion to a minimum.

If your curious.......here is George Tillers website.

http://www.drtiller.com/

"We have an unparalleled record of safey in late abortion services and we have more experience in late abortion services over 24 weeks than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere, Europe and Australia."

"At Women's Health Care Services, we specialize in "late" abortion care. We are able to perform elective abortions to the time in the pregnancy when the fetus is viable. Viability is not a set point in time. Viability is determined by the attending physician and is based on sonogram results, physical examination and last menstrual period date (if known). Our telephone counselors will ask you a number of medical questions to determine if you are eligible for an elective abortion. If you have visited another clinic or physician, we will ask for the results from a recent ultrasound."

"Kansas law allows for post-viability abortion procedures when continuing the pregnancy is detrimental to the pregnant woman's health."

All I am seeing is a responsible disclosure of services and expectations of the clinic. What are your undergarments in a wad about?

So if a woman is depressed and says she is suicidal.....I am sure he would say it is in her best interest to abort.

I suppose if she goes and kills herself, the abortion becomes a moot point anyway...

They dont give a rats arse about ultrasound......they will do it anyway.

I suppose you are prepared to back that accusation up with a credible, third-party source that corroborates your claim? :waiting:

"Fees may be paid with cash, MasterCard, Visa, American Express, Discover, money orders, traveler's checks, or cashier's checks. Personal checks are not accepted. Assistance will be provided for filing other insurance claims."

This is the standard disclosure of payment options. What are your undergarments in a wad about this time?

I killed my child and put it on my Visa............

Hysterical much?

As for filing other insurance claims.......I am sure Tiller wants his kick backs.

The guy is a scumbag.

Oh yes...and there is the gratuitous vilification...

And if you go to his "Informed Consent" page.......gestational age goes up to 40 weeks. That ought to say something.

Yeah it says that he has read a medical textbook and knows what the gestation period of a human is...

Go to the "Get me a pastor I just killed my child" page..

There is no such page listed on his site. Somehow, histrionic, over-the-top, hysterical hyperbole doesn't seem to fit the over-all design of his web space.

"The Chaplaincy program is designed to bring spiritual resources to those who come to the Clinic for help and assistance. Spiritually, abortion is acceptable in ten of the world's religions and in Christianity many denominations affirm and uphold the right of a woman to make the choice of abortion."

What a lie.

Being the mother of all lies, you should know. But I don't see a lie anywhere in that statement. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us by elaborating on this claim?

 

[ProudAmerican]

There is no such thing as a pro-abortion camp. There is a pro-choice camp, but to call it pro-abortion is dishonest and hysterical.

actually the term "pro choice" is nothing more than propaganda by people that are too affraid to call it what it is.

actually calling it what it really is means having to admit its the wrong "choice"

the oppossite of pro life aint pro choice......its pro death.

 

[jallman]

actually the term "pro choice" is nothing more than propaganda by people that are too affraid to call it what it is.

actually calling it what it really is means having to admit its the wrong "choice"

the oppossite of pro life aint pro choice......its pro death.

actually the term "pro life" is nothing more than propaganda by people that are too dishonest to call it what it is.

actually, calling it what it really is means having to accept that its fundamentally uncivilized.

The opposite of pro choice ain't pro life...its pro women's enslavement.

 

[ProudAmerican]

actually the term "pro life" is nothing more than propaganda by people that are too dishonest to call it what it is.

actually, calling it what it really is means having to accept that its fundamentally uncivilized.

The opposite of pro choice ain't pro life...its pro women's enslavement.

yeah, not wanting to allow murder as a form of birth controll, and not wanting to allow babies to be stabbed in the back of the skull with surgical scissors is "womens enslavement"

save it for someone stupid enough to fall for it.

 

[jallman]

yeah, not wanting to allow murder as a form of birth controll, and not wanting to allow babies to be stabbed in the back of the skull with surgical scissors is "womens enslavement"

save it for someone stupid enough to fall for it.

You mean like the supreme court? :mrgreen:

 

[jallman]

yeah, not wanting to allow murder as a form of birth controll, and not wanting to allow babies to be stabbed in the back of the skull with surgical scissors is "womens enslavement"

save it for someone stupid enough to fall for it.

I can't help it. I have a compulsive need to shut down hysterics and expose liars for what they are. Abortion is not murder. It is the arresting of an undesired biological function. No "baby" is stabbed in the back of the skull with surgical scissors. Your irrelevant plea to fabricated sympathies is not now nor will it ever be an excuse to deny a woman her right to control her own body.

 

[ProudAmerican]

You mean like the supreme court? :mrgreen:

I mean EXACTLY like the supreme court.

Never underestimate what you can accomplish when you stack the court in your favor with political activists.

 

[ProudAmerican]

I can't help it. I have a compulsive need to shut down hysterics and expose liars for what they are. Abortion is not murder.

of course its murder.

It is the arresting of an undesired biological function. No "baby" is stabbed in the back of the skull with surgical scissors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion

Procedures
There are three medical procedures associated with late-term abortions:

Dilation and evacuation (D&E)
Early induction of labor
Intact dilation and extraction (IDX or D&X), commonly known as Partial-birth abortion
Abortions done for fetal abnormality are usually performed with induction of labor or with IDX; these procedures result in an intact body that the parents can hold and take pictures of as part of their mourning process. Elective late-term abortions are usually performed with D&E.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction

The medical term Intrauterine Cranial Decompression is also used in reference to the procedure.

im pretty big on educating people and exposing liars too.

Your irrelevant plea to fabricated sympathies is not now nor will it ever be an excuse to deny a woman her right to control her own body.

I see. so im making it up. its just a fabricated sympathy? complete and utter B.S.. its a fact. read about it. its disgusting really. and no ridiculous made up load of crap about a woman being able to control her body will ever change the fact that its a barbaric method of removing a LIVING CHILD from a womans body.

 

[jallman]

I mean EXACTLY like the supreme court.

Never underestimate what you can accomplish when you stack the court in your favor with political activists.

Sort of like what Bush tried to pull with Harriet. And that whole political activists on the bench garbage is getting old. Activist judge is a term used to describe a judge who happened to write a ruling neocons disagree with.

 

[jallman]

of course its murder.

Murder involves the killing of a person. A fetus has no personhood under the law and rightly so.

im pretty big on educating people and exposing liars too.

Yet your misrepresentations keep coming and coming.

I see. so im making it up. its just a fabricated sympathy?

Absolutely. Pro-liars have a tendency to fabricate sympathy by crying "oh the poor babies" and then following with "you aren't a baby-killer are you" or some other load of horseshit.

complete and utter B.S.. its a fact. read about it. its disgusting really. and no ridiculous made up load of crap about a woman being able to control her body will ever change the fact that its a barbaric method of removing a LIVING CHILD from a womans body.

Absolute misrepresentation. There is a fetus, no child. And it is living in the most literal sense...much the same way any organ or cell is living. Stop lying and creating hysteria.

 

[ProudAmerican]

http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/07/24/late_term/index1.html

During a dilation and evacuation, the doctor terminates the pregnancy by dismembering the fetus inside the uterus or as it is extracted from the uterus into the vagina. The fetal skull, which after approximately 16 weeks of pregnancy is too large to pass through a cervix that is only partially dilated, is crushed with forceps prior to extraction from the uterus. Fetal bones begin to calcify at about 17 weeks of pregnancy, so with each dismembered fetal part comes the attached risk of injury to the woman of uterine tears or perforations by bony fragments, as well as the possibility of leaving a fetal fragment inside the uterus -- something one district court judge called a "horrible complication."

how anyone can read that and determine it is anything other than the taking of a human life is beyond me.

but hey, lie to yourself and make yourself feel better by pretending to believe its about a womans body.

I wonder if Scott Peterson was thinking that when he gave his estranged wife a late term abortion.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Murder involves the killing of a person. A fetus has no personhood under the law and rightly so.

thanks again to activist judges with a political agenda.

Yet your misrepresentations keep coming and coming.

I just posted links to a very credible source describing the procedure. call it a misrepresentation if you like.

Absolutely. Pro-liars have a tendency to fabricate sympathy by crying "oh the poor babies" and then following with "you aren't a baby-killer are you" or some other load of horseshit.

I have done neither. no need to get testy. Im simply giving you information describing things you would probably rather not think about.

Absolute misrepresentation. There is a fetus, no child. And it is living in the most literal sense...much the same way any organ or cell is living. Stop lying and creating hysteria.

nonsense. a baby half way out of the womans body is a LIVING THING. not some clinical term you would rather use to make yourself feel better about what is being killed.

im not creating any hysteria. I am simply giving you links from reputable sources describing exactly what is happening.

if you decide to get hysterical, thats up to you.

I know that before I learned what some of these things truly are, I felt just as you do. I decided to educate myself, and was absolutely horrified at what I found.

I actually, at one time, argued with my wife on this topic and took YOUR STANCE.

Once I learned what much of this was about, I simply couldnt believe I ever thought abortion was "ok"

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I highly doubt the freedom of information act covers active medical records. Hipa covers that, and I don't belive you are allow to acces private medical records unless permission is given specifically to you.

Of course this is correct. I can't even get my wife's records let alone some stranger's.

 

[1069]

Regardless of how you feel about the morality of abortion or the worthiness of patients who have them, it's hard to believe anyone would condone such a monstrous invasion into private medical records.
If the implications of this don't scare you, I don't know what would.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Regardless of how you feel about the morality of abortion or the worthiness of patients who have them, it's hard to believe anyone would condone such a monstrous invasion into private medical records.
If the implications of this don't scare you, I don't know what would.

I will agree with that.....however something puzzles me.

Oreilly was debating some bimbo that supported this doctors actions the other night on his show. She is one of those idiots that support killing babies under any circumstance.

and in the heat of the debate, when you would think this issue would help her side, she never brought it up. she never asked him where he got the information.

sure its possible shes just a dumb *** and cant think on her feet quick enough to think of such a thing.....but you would think she would have wanted to know how he got that information.