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Clinic Bomber harrasses victims from prison, via internet

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Extremist Taunts His Victims From Prison

By JAY REEVES
Associated Press Writer


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- Victims of Eric Rudolph, the anti-abortion extremist who pulled off a series of bombings across the South, say he is taunting them from deep within the nation's most secure federal prison, and authorities say there is little they can do to stop him.

Rudolph, who was captured after a five-year manhunt and pleaded guilty in deadly bombings at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta and a Birmingham abortion clinic, is serving life in prison at the "Supermax" penitentiary in Florence, Colo.

Housed in the most secure part of the prison, he has no computer and little contact with the outside world aside from writing letters.

But Rudolph's long essays have been posted on the Internet by a supporter who maintains an Army of God Web site. The Army of God is the same loose-knit group that Rudolph claimed to represent in letters sent after the blasts.

In one piece, Rudolph seeks to justify violence against abortion clinics by arguing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

In another essay about his sentencing, Rudolph mocks former abortion clinic nurse Emily Lyons, who was nearly killed in the 1998 bombing in Birmingham, and her husband, Jeff. He uses pseudonyms rather than naming the couple, but there is no doubt he is describing them.

Rudolph recalls how Emily Lyons, in court, described the pain of her injuries and made an obscene gesture at Rudolph as she showed off a finger mangled by the blast. Rudolph writes: "It was a great speech and one that the denizens of freedom should be proud to enshrine in a museum somewhere. Perhaps they could put it next to MLKs `I Have a Dream.' They could call it `I Have a Middle Finger.'"

Jeff Lyons said he doesn't often look at the Web site, which has had some items posted for nearly two years. But he said he is worried that Rudolph's messages could incite someone to violence against abortion providers.

"He's still sending out harassing communication. He's still hurting us," Lyons said.

Diane Derzis, who owns the Birmingham clinic that was bombed, killing a police officer, said someone should stop Rudolph.

Bureau of Prisons regulations give wardens the right to reject correspondence by an inmate for "the protection of the public, or if it might facilitate criminal activity." That includes material "which may lead to the use of physical violence."

The Bureau of Prisons failed to respond to repeated inquiries from The Associated Press about whether Rudolph's writings violate prison rules.

But U.S. Attorney Alice Martin, who helped prosecute Rudolph for the Alabama bombing, said there is nothing the prison can do to restrict Rudolph or the supporter who keeps posting his writings, anti-abortion activist Donald Spitz of Chesapeake, Va.

"An inmate does not lose his freedom of speech," she said.

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Check out the slant of this article. Even the headline.
"Extremist".

This murdering freak is serving multiple life sentences for a whole series of bombings of both women's health clinics and gay and lesbian clubs.
In one of his bombings, a security guard was murdered and a nurse critically injured.

I do not believe he should have the right to publicly incite more violence.
The only reason he's permitted to is because of the prevailing moral climate, which is both anti-woman and anti-gay.

Perhaps someone at Colorado's "Supermax" could do me a really sweet favor and remove his fingers?
It would be interesting to see how well he exercises his "freedom of speech" once he's forced to write by holding a pen in his mouth (if you want to do me an extra, super-huge favor, remove his teeth as well).

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I totally agree with you on this one, Ten, Rudolph is a murdering ASsshole.

I find it interesting, though that his buddy Spitz uses the same argument that pro-choice does--namely, "you don't like abortion? Don't have one."

Spitz said he corresponds regularly with Rudolph and posts some of his essays because of their shared desire to end abortion. As for those who might be offended, he said, "They don't have to look at it on the Web site."

He's a hypocrite, but I don't know how PC can argue that logic isn't sound.
 
The only reason he's permitted to is because of the prevailing moral climate, which is both anti-woman and anti-gay.


Well, that, and the first amendment.
 
I do not believe he should have the right to publicly incite more violence.
The only reason he's permitted to is because of the prevailing moral climate, which is both anti-woman and anti-gay.

Yes freedom of speech is a huge conspiracy against homosexuals and women! :roll:



I can't believe you didn't put in a request for someone to sodomize him too 'cause you know he'd really destest that.

I bet he gets a lot of hate mail. Stuff like, "I wanna have your baby...."



"so I can abort it!"
 
I can't believe you didn't put in a request for someone to sodomize him too 'cause you know he'd really destest that.

I don't know any such thing, and I don't give a crap one way or the other.
That's not my concern.
My wish is for someone- some gallant soul- to prevent a convicted murderer from harrassing, taunting, and possibly inciting others to target his victims and their families.
 
Well, that, and the first amendment.

The first amendment is not a shield against stopping harassment and terrorizing a criminal's prior victims. I am not for censorship or abridgment of free speech, but I am for respecting the pain and trials of people victimized by radical and violent extremists. Further, I cannot, in good conscience, consider felons who murdered peaceful citizens as having the same access to rights as the rest of society. Prison is a place where personal liberties are not a given, but rather earned through proper behavior, which this is definitely not!!!
 
The first amendment is not a shield against stopping harassment and terrorizing a criminal's prior victims.

Apparently it is when the "victims" are gays, and the type of socially worthless, uninsured females who rely upon public health clinics for their medical care, and the (probably liberal) medical personnel who provide said care, and the security guards hired to protect these underprivileged women from being assaulted by placard-wielding religious fanatics.
 

If the guy was actually writing letters to his victims or others and continuing to terrorize them I think they'd put a stop to that on grounds of harrassment. However what he is doing instead is sending lamo essays to his goofball friend who then in turn posts them on his goofball hate filled website which I highly doubt many subscribe to anyway. :doh
 

Did you read what he's doing? I hardly consider that to be harassment. Yes, its a huge dick move, and is obviously distressing to the families...who are going to these sites to read about it. He's not contacting them, he's not inundating them with phone calls, and he's not threatening or in any other way inciting violence. It's shitty, but if you start outlawing all shitty things that people say/do, where do you draw the line?


Well, that's a separate issue. At least for the time being, the law in this instance disagrees.
 

If you took that 600-lb chip off your shoulder for one second, you might be able to straighten up enough to realize how ridiculous you sound. It's like I'm listening to a pseudo reverse-Colbert.
 

Oh come on! This guy is a total loser and I wouldn't give a ratz a$$ if they took away his pencil but the truth is the reason nothing is being done is because he is not "harrassing" his victims. He is writing letters to his fan club which then publishes them.:roll: It's not even unheard of for people in jail to actually get their crap published by real publishers. Didn't Manson make a record in jail?

No one is gonna read one of this tard's essays and become inspired to go out and be violent unless they were already itching to be violent anyway. Most people aren't even ever gonna find their way to that obscure website unless someone points it out to them, as you did.

Sure it will get tons of hits from people who are morbidly curious about the freak but that doesn't mean hordes of people are going to go out and commit violent acts inspired by this guy unless they are already homicidal and psycho in the first place in which case they'd probably end up doing something violent anyway.

But to say he is getting away with something because our society doesn't care about women and homosexuals is just so freaking ridiculous even for you.
 
Did you read what he's doing? I hardly consider that to be harassment.

Of course I read what he is doing. I am not in the habit of posting in response to threads if I haven't made myself familiar with the opening premise. And you may not consider it harassment but I also doubt you have suffered lost at the hands of this extremist sociopath.


How about we draw the line at the prison gates. Is there any justice in his smug satisfaction and "right" to advocate his own crimes? Hell NO. What he did was insufferable and to allow his continued expression of a right he took advantage of says our prison system needs a good hard look with fresh eyes.

Well, that's a separate issue. At least for the time being, the law in this instance disagrees.

I'm sorry...I don't see a separate issue at all. Prisoners lose rights when they are in prison...that is established precedent. I am sure the law could be applied reasonably in this instance to stop any further abuse of his "rights".
 

So where do you draw the line?

I'm sorry...I don't see a separate issue at all. Prisoners lose rights when they are in prison...that is established precedent. I am sure the law could be applied reasonably in this instance to stop any further abuse of his "rights".

I guess you and I just have a different view on how easily rights can be abrogated.
 
Extremist Taunts His Victims From Prison

Yeah, Army of God, go figure....Steen's parents are Army of God, they threatened to put him on their Nuremberg list....part of why he was a nut...my favorite liberal...but hay, this dude, he's not writing letters to the families, he's writing letters to his supporters. They're the ones who are posting his sh!t on their terrorist website.

This is no different then Osama tapes showing up on Alajzeera.

I hope the guards aren’t touching his bible…..where’s an ACLU lawyer in here to fix you up on this Ten. Doncha know: we’re supposed to have a conversation with terrorists, we’re supposed to listen to them and find out why they do what they do….it’s all Bush’s fault to.

Halliburton.
 
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So why are the victims and their families going to those website anyway? If they don't like it or are offended, then they shouldn't go there. Since this jerk-off is finding ways to spread his word, the best thing to do is ignore it.
 
So where do you draw the line?

I already said at the prison gates...meaning no abridgment of the rights of normal citizens. Convicted felons are a different ballgame.

I guess you and I just have a different view on how easily rights can be abrogated.

Yes. I see convicts as not having rights.
 
Yes. I see convicts as not having rights.

Just execute them and save the tax money then, since they have no rights.

Convicted of grand theft auto? You're a convict: you have no rights -- to the gas chamber!

Damn Jallman, you'de cut crime, ballance the budget and reduce over population in one swoop....you runin for office?
 

An excellent point. On the other hand, the reverse applies as well.

If you subscribe to this school of thought:

"you don't like abortion? Don't have one."

Then you should accept this one as well:

"They don't have to look at it on the Web site."

Otherwise you are a hypocrite in equal measure.
 
An excellent point. On the other hand, the reverse applies as well.

If you subscribe to this school of thought:

Then you should accept this one as well:

Otherwise you are a hypocrite in equal measure.

Here we go....

How do these letters directly affect you?

"My web site, my choice"

Ten, your OP is very anti-men.
 

Your hyperbole is noted and summarily dismissed. However, I will point this out: I have absolutely no problem with the death penalty and I believe it is not utilized nearly enough. Any crime that involves murder in the first degree, multiple murder in the second degree, terrorist activity, or rape/molestation should be punishable by death upon the first offense.
 
Any crime that involves murder in the first degree, multiple murder in the second degree, terrorist activity, or rape/molestation should be punishable by death upon the first offense.

That's a horrible statement. I heard a story on the news the other day where some college guys faced rape charges for having sex with 15 year olds at a party where all the sex was videotaped. Now I don't think college kids should be having sex with a 15 year old or taping it but the tape shows that the girl was consenting but since she is under age it is rape none the less. Anyway the lawyers thought the guys should be tried individually. The white kid got off and the black kid went to jail. That's a problem in and of itself. But at your suggestion the black kid would have been sentenced to death! :shock: And I know that you don't really think that do you? Our judicial system is too fvcked up right now for sweeping statements such as the one you made. Plus the death penalty is just barbaric anyway.
 

Depending on the ages of the college students, it may not be considered even statutory rape in some states. However, as in all charges and sentencing, mitigating circumstances may play a factor in having sentences lessened or commuted.

However, I do believe that the death penalty is commensurate with the crimes I listed...barring any "mitigating" circumstances.
 

What if the ZEF was granted personhood and abortion became illegal. An abortion dr. gets caught doing illegal abortions which are in this scenario murder. Should he get the death penalty? Most crimes involve mitigating circumstances.
 
Well, that, and the first amendment.

The first amendment does not allow you to threaten people however. If this idiot cannot control himself, then he should have his net access removed until he learns how.
 
I am in agreement with you here jallman. There are lines that need to be clearly defined and drawn in a society full of grey areas. At some point, you have to say, you have gone too far.... It may be barbaric in some peoples eyes, but the punishment must fit the crime. All of the acts you listed are barbaric, and they deserve barbaric punishment in return. Nothing else will do.
 
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