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A group of Climate Scientists that agree with the concerns skeptics have regarding frantic alarmism have been doing extensive research, looking at the issue more moderately and objectively, and are predicting that there may be a significant reduction of the Polar Ice caps by 2300 if we don't act quickly. Given the trends regarding greenhouse gas emissions, the first signs may start appearing as early as 2150. However, the wheels will be set inevitably in motion very quickly if we don't do something soon. It will simply take longer to start happening than previously thought. This is the kind of objective research we need to get behind and fund while there is still time.
https://theconversation.com/why-sci...limate-change-right-up-to-the-year-2300-92236
Here is the problem. They have been saying that my entire life and despite the us increasing in population by 30% roughly 100 million people we are producing the same amount of carbon. So we clearly have made strides and by doing very little. Also every prediction about rising temperatures based on carbon in the atmosphere has been way too high. We clearly don’t understand exactly how carbon and warming work together.
So anyone making a doomsday prediction I simply don’t find credible
They were hasty in their predictions. They are refining the science and now realize it will take far longer, probably over 100 years before we start seeing signs.
A group of Climate Scientists that agree with the concerns skeptics have regarding frantic alarmism have been doing extensive research, looking at the issue more moderately and objectively, and are predicting that there may be a significant reduction of the Polar Ice caps by 2300 if we don't act quickly. Given the trends regarding greenhouse gas emissions, the first signs may start appearing as early as 2150. However, the wheels will be set inevitably in motion very quickly if we don't do something soon. It will simply take longer to start happening than previously thought. This is the kind of objective research we need to get behind and fund while there is still time.
https://theconversation.com/why-sci...limate-change-right-up-to-the-year-2300-92236
A group of Climate Scientists that agree with the concerns skeptics have regarding frantic alarmism have been doing extensive research, looking at the issue more moderately and objectively, and are predicting that there may be a significant reduction of the Polar Ice caps by 2300 if we don't act quickly. Given the trends regarding greenhouse gas emissions, the first signs may start appearing as early as 2150. However, the wheels will be set inevitably in motion very quickly if we don't do something soon. It will simply take longer to start happening than previously thought. This is the kind of objective research we need to get behind and fund while there is still time.
https://theconversation.com/why-sci...limate-change-right-up-to-the-year-2300-92236
The study doesn’t refute the claim that climate change will have devastating effects the next decades. Instead the study show that even with net zero emissions of C02 from today you will still have sea level rises for a very long time because of the temperature increase that have already happened.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02985-8
While it still worth taking action to combat climate change because you can reduce both the short time and long time term devastating effects. Also there are still hope that different carbon capture techniques may in the future reverse C02 levels there those measures will be less costly and less hard to accomplish if we act today.
There even federal reports published during Trump’s presidency warns about the devastating effects from climate caused by fossil fuels.
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/
https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
Renewable energy could also become a bipartisan in US just like it already have become in other countries. That already are wind or solar power the cheapest electricity option in most Republican congressional districts.
"Republicans from Texas to Iowa regularly extoll the virtues of renewables like wind and solar power, and for good reason. Rural Republican districts are often the locations with the best solar and wind resources, and when those resources are harnessed they bring good jobs to places where new sources of employment are often otherwise scarce. In fact, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ #1 and #2 fastest growing jobs in the U.S. are solar panel installers and wind turbine technicians. These jobs are good, solid middle class jobs with annual salaries pushing close to six-figures. Beyond construction, the plants (particularly wind farms, with their many moving parts) offer good jobs in the long term."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshua...n-leaders-love-renewable-energy/#19e1ae563da7
Even if you still have politicians like Donald Trump that wants to spend billions of dollars propping up unprofitable coal plants.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...save-americas-failing-coal-fired-power-plants
A group of Climate Scientists that agree with the concerns skeptics have regarding frantic alarmism have been doing extensive research, looking at the issue more moderately and objectively, and are predicting that there may be a significant reduction of the Polar Ice caps by 2300 if we don't act quickly. Given the trends regarding greenhouse gas emissions, the first signs may start appearing as early as 2150. However, the wheels will be set inevitably in motion very quickly if we don't do something soon. It will simply take longer to start happening than previously thought. This is the kind of objective research we need to get behind and fund while there is still time.
https://theconversation.com/why-sci...limate-change-right-up-to-the-year-2300-92236
Here is the problem. They have been saying that my entire life and despite the us increasing in population by 30% roughly 100 million people we are producing the same amount of carbon. So we clearly have made strides and by doing very little. Also every prediction about rising temperatures based on carbon in the atmosphere has been way too high. We clearly don’t understand exactly how carbon and warming work together.
A group of Climate Scientists that agree with the concerns skeptics have regarding frantic alarmism have been doing extensive research, looking at the issue more moderately and objectively, and are predicting that there may be a significant reduction of the Polar Ice caps by 2300 if we don't act quickly. Given the trends regarding greenhouse gas emissions, the first signs may start appearing as early as 2150. However, the wheels will be set inevitably in motion very quickly if we don't do something soon. It will simply take longer to start happening than previously thought. This is the kind of objective research we need to get behind and fund while there is still time.
https://theconversation.com/why-sci...limate-change-right-up-to-the-year-2300-92236
Some partisan advocates speaking out on this issue have said that the earth's biosphere is right now 1.5C hotter than what it was in 1850. If this were a statement of scientific fact then they'd also present a credible current average biosphere temperature plus another temp for 1850, and the increase would be 1.5C....the temperature increase that have already happened...
They were hasty in their predictions. They are refining the science and now realize it will take far longer, probably over 100 years before we start seeing signs.
When the general non-political public spends money dealing with this process they work with numbers. For example, they decide on a target room temp, they look up the historic average incoming radiation energy and they choose how money they want to spend dealing with it. A mechanical engineer makes around $80K per year....The UV sunlight passes through the atmosphere, strikes the Earth, changes frequency to infrared light, which gets reflected back to the Earth by the carbon in the atmosphere...
...predicting that there may be a significant reduction of the Polar Ice caps by 2300 if we don't act quickly.
Here is the problem. They have been saying that my entire life and despite the us increasing in population by 30% roughly 100 million people we are producing the same amount of carbon. So we clearly have made strides and by doing very little.
When the general non-political public spends money dealing with this process they work with numbers. For example, they decide on a target room temp, they look up the historic average incoming radiation energy and they choose how money they want to spend dealing with it. A mechanical engineer makes around $80K per year.
When it comes to Federal climate change spending, Ideological factions just have to say something both emotionally provocative and vague like "...the wheels will be set inevitably in motion very quickly if we don't do something soon." In 2017 Al Gore had a net worth of over $300 million.
The answer is that a lot of us care about Al Gore making tons of money by selling vagueness --and the reason we care is that we need to know what the markets are doing, what's selling, and what folks are buying. Today the market's are soaring and what I'm seeing is that companies that grind out numberless doom'n'gloom have become hotter than Facebook & Apple. mho....who gives a **** how much money Al Gore has? That's irrelevant to the issue. Global warming is not caused by Al Gore's money, it's caused by carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
If what you're arguing is that being aware denotes a responsibility to an issue, I agree. However...
The answer is that a lot of us care about Al Gore making tons of money by selling vagueness --and the reason we care is that we need to know what the markets are doing, what's selling, and what folks are buying. Today the market's are soaring and what I'm seeing is that companies that grind out numberless doom'n'gloom have become hotter than Facebook & Apple. mho.
We can both agree that acting on awareness is a good idea but on this thread the only thing that we can be aware of is that the thermodynamics on the table here is nothing like the science used when folks are actually getting something done. When we buy a toaster oven you want something that will use a KW to heat your bagel to 90C in 2 min. When we talk AGW it's the biosphere getting maybe 1.5C hotter now than 1850, or its 1.0 hotter than 1720, or not.
No matter. Unlike the bagel we have no idea what the biosphere temp is now or what it was in 1850 (or 1720) but what we do know is that as long as we avoid numbers we make a lot more money than we would if we sold toaster ovens.
Is America great or what!!!
Here’s the problem though, they are claiming the risk is just as dire as ever but that the signs have been pushed back 100 years. It’s essentially an invisible threat that they can use to justify any policy they want.
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