Climate Science is in the crapper for warmists .

[KLATTU]

■No global warming for almost 17 years
■Temperatures running below Hansen’s zero emissions scenario C.
■Longest spell since the Civil War without a major hurricane hitting the US
■Grover Cleveland’s presidency saw 26 hurricanes hit the US, compared to Barack Obama with 3 hurricanes.
■Strong to violent tornadoes have been on the decline for 40 years
■100 years since the hottest temperature was recorded on Earth
■Prior to data tampering, no US warming for 90 years
■Global sea ice area is above normal
■Arctic sea ice area is normal
■Cold season snowfall has been rising and is at record levels in recent years.
■Sea level rise rates have been steady for over a century.
Nothing they forecast has come true. All they have left are busted theories, tampered NOAA and GISS data, and fraudulent John Cook surveys.

It is pathetic. And Obama’s teleprompter can’t stop talking about it.

 

[longview]

One small correction, They don't actually have a theory, but a hypothesis.
The hypotheses is the observation that the average rise in temperature is related to the rise in Co2.
A theory would be an actual scientific energy state diagram of how the two events are connected.
As of yet, no one has outlined the actual process of the forcing described in the alarms.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

One small correction, They don't actually have a theory, but a hypothesis.
The hypotheses is the observation that the average rise in temperature is related to the rise in Co2.
A theory would be an actual scientific energy state diagram of how the two events are connected.
As of yet, no one has outlined the actual process of the forcing described in the alarms.

The curtain has been drawn back and the wizard has been exposed but the warmer cult closes their eyes, sticks their fingers in their ears and sings loudly, LA LA LA LA. :lol:

 

[flogger]

The curtain has been drawn back and the wizard has been exposed but the warmer cult closes their eyes, sticks their fingers in their ears and sings loudly, LA LA LA LA. :lol:

Whilst blindly waving thier flags ever more vigorously as they are forced to circle the wagons ever more tightly. Its just to be hoped that given the momentum they still have left that economically they cannot do even more damage than they have to us already

 

[Wiseone]

Things aren't that certain either way, I can tell you about the artic in that Northern Nations are quickly signing treaties and holding talks about what to do when the artic ice goes away or greatly reduces in size.

Climate change will open up surprising new Arctic shipping routes

http://www.economist.com/node/21556798?zid=313&ah=fe2aac0b11adef572d67aed9273b6e55

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Whilst blindly waving thier flags ever more vigorously as they are forced to circle the wagons ever more tightly. Its just to be hoped that given the momentum they still have left that economically they cannot do even more damage than they have to us already

It's true that the more they are proven wrong the angrier they get and the more tightly they cling to their beliefs.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Things aren't that certain either way, I can tell you about the artic in that Northern Nations are quickly signing treaties and holding talks about what to do when the artic ice goes away or greatly reduces in size.

Climate change will open up surprising new Arctic shipping routes

In case you have not noticed ice has been receding since the last ice age and will continue to do so until we start heading into the next ice age.

 

[Strucker]

It's true that the more they are proven wrong the angrier they get and the more tightly they cling to their beliefs.

Wow!

As if anybody is more extremist than the dainty little tantrum-throwers who have embraced denialism.
But I'm gentle with them, because they tend to be delicate, fluttery little souls.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Wow!

As if anybody is more extremist than the dainty little tantrum-throwers who have embraced denialism.
But I'm gentle with them, because they tend to be delicate, fluttery little souls.

In other words, no comment on the OP. :lol:

 

[Wiseone]

In case you have not noticed ice has been receding since the last ice age and will continue to do so until we start heading into the next ice age.

That doesn't really contradict what I said...

But when the OP says artic sea ice is normal, its clearly not and the artic nations are taking notice and taking action.

Almost all Arctic glaciers have receded. The area of Arctic land covered by snow in early summer has shrunk by almost a fifth since 1966. But it is the Arctic Ocean that is most changed. In the 1970s, 80s and 90s the minimum extent of polar pack ice fell by around 8% per decade. Then, in 2007, the sea ice crashed, melting to a summer minimum of 4.3m sq km (1.7m square miles), close to half the average for the 1960s and 24% below the previous minimum, set in 2005. This left the north-west passage, a sea lane through Canada's 36,000-island Arctic Archipelago, ice-free for the first time in memory.

The Arctic also has oil and gas, probably lots. Exploration licences are now being issued across the region, in the United States, Canada, Greenland, Norway and Russia. On April 18th ExxonMobil finalised the terms of a deal with Russia's Rosneft to invest up to $500 billion in developing offshore reserves, including in Russia's Arctic Kara sea. Oil companies do not like to talk about it, but this points to another positive feedback from the melt. Climate change caused by burning fossil fuels will allow more Arctic hydrocarbons to be extracted and burned.

Exxon-Mobil is not signing 500 billion dollar deals to keep up the "illusion" of climate change.

Yet the melting Arctic will have geostrategic consequences beyond helping a bunch of resource-fattened countries to get fatter. An obvious one is the potentially disruptive effect of new trade routes. Sailing along the coast of Siberia by the north-east passage, or Northern Sea Route (NSR), as Russians and mariners call it, cuts the distance between western Europe and east Asia by roughly a third. The passage is now open for four or five months a year and is getting more traffic. In 2010 only four ships used the NSR; last year 34 did, in both directions, including tankers, refrigerated vessels carrying fish and even a cruise liner.

Asia's big exporters, China, Japan and South Korea, are already investing in ice-capable vessels, or planning to do so. For Russia, which has big plans to develop the sea lane with trans-shipment hubs and other infrastructure, this is a double boon. It will help it get Arctic resources to market faster and also, as the NSR becomes increasingly viable, diversify its hydrocarbon-addicted economy.

These nations aren't doing all this to keep up the "illusion"

The melting north | The Economist

 

[Strucker]

In other words, no comment on the OP. :lol:

I was responding directly to a post. If it's a slight deviation from the OP, you should blame your co-conspiracy theorist who made the comment to which I responded.

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[flogger]

I was responding directly to a post. If it's a slight deviation from the OP, you should blame your co-conspiracy theorist who made the comment to which I responded.
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Pointing out that something is simply wrong does not automatically make a person a 'conspiracy theorist' :roll:

 

[Strucker]

Pointing out that something is simply wrong does not automatically make a person a 'conspiracy theorist' :roll:

Whenever the discussion moves--at it must, and always does--to the overwhelming majority consensus of scientific thought...the assertions begin, about fat cat scientists fudging data to get grant money, or the Orwellian lock-step blindness of the scientific community inobedience to Marxists.


You know...conspiracy theories.

 

[flogger]

Whenever the discussion moves--at it must, and always does--to the overwhelming majority consensus of scientific thought...the assertions begin, about fat cat scientists fudging data to get grant money, or the Orwellian lock-step blindness of the scientific community inobedience to Marxists.
You know...conspiracy theories.

Nonsense . Dodgy poll based consensus doesnt matter here. In science it takes just one scientist to be correct to blow any so called consensus out of the water anyway. Consensus is a word from the political arena not the scientific one and this issue has always been political from the get go. Most of the points made in the OP are essentially correct and that requires an explanation from the alleged 'consensus' as to why that is given the hundreds of billions ploughed into this issue over the last two decades or more.

 

[Strucker]

Nonsense . Dodgy poll based consensus doesnt matter here. In science it takes just one scientist to be correct to blow any so called consensus out of the water anyway.

Sweet Godzilla on His Throne. I'm talking of explicit conspiracy theories that arise all the time in these discussions. If you refuse to take your co-religionists up on such matters, that doesn't make any of us remiss for pointing it out.

 

[KLATTU]

Scientific organizations are made of people from the academic world. People from the academic word are overwhelmingly liberal. Thus we have the echo chamber . It's a big part of the problem.
This was brought out in ClimateGate, a scandal of epic proportions which was brushed under the rug by liberal academics.
Thankfully many people see the truth on that issue.

 

[flogger]

Sweet Godzilla on His Throne. I'm talking of explicit conspiracy theories that arise all the time in these discussions. If you refuse to take your co-religionists up on such matters, that doesn't make any of us remiss for pointing it out.

I'm sure that must have made sense to you when you posted it ? :roll:

 

[Lord of Planar]

Has anyone seen complete revised numbers on the solar energy budget? it used to be that it was thought about half the sea level rise was from thermal expansion, and the other half from glacier melt. With the newer satellites out there, NASA is telling us the oceans absorb more heat than previously thought, though I never seen a number. What is nearly all the sea level rise is due to solar expansion, from the increased hat the sun has since the maunder minima?

 

[Strucker]

I'm sure that must have made sense to you when you posted it ? :roll:

It did, thanks for asking.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

That doesn't really contradict what I said...

But when the OP says artic sea ice is normal, its clearly not and the artic nations are taking notice and taking action.

Ice melting, glaciers receding is normal. It has been happening since the last ice age ended.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

I was responding directly to a post. If it's a slight deviation from the OP, you should blame your co-conspiracy theorist who made the comment to which I responded.

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No you were avoiding responding to the OP.

 

[Wiseone]

Ice melting, glaciers receding is normal. It has been happening since the last ice age ended.

So you aren't denying the warming, just that's man made? I mean ice only melts because it gets warmer does it not?

 

[code1211]

■No global warming for almost 17 years
■Temperatures running below Hansen’s zero emissions scenario C.
■Longest spell since the Civil War without a major hurricane hitting the US
■Grover Cleveland’s presidency saw 26 hurricanes hit the US, compared to Barack Obama with 3 hurricanes.
■Strong to violent tornadoes have been on the decline for 40 years
■100 years since the hottest temperature was recorded on Earth
■Prior to data tampering, no US warming for 90 years
■Global sea ice area is above normal
■Arctic sea ice area is normal
■Cold season snowfall has been rising and is at record levels in recent years.
■Sea level rise rates have been steady for over a century.
Nothing they forecast has come true. All they have left are busted theories, tampered NOAA and GISS data, and fraudulent John Cook surveys.

It is pathetic. And Obama’s teleprompter can’t stop talking about it.

I agree with your conclusion, but the Arctic Sea ice is at the bottom edge of the Standard Deviations.

I thought the mouthpiece who knee jerked in the Congress the other day following the tornado hitting OK with no knowledge or understanding and only those inaccurate and stupidly, ignorantly contrived talking points from the agenda driven made a complete fool of himself.

Of, in that state of being, he won't know he's a fool for years to come. Most of his peers will not understand this either.

 

[code1211]

Wow!

As if anybody is more extremist than the dainty little tantrum-throwers who have embraced denialism.
But I'm gentle with them, because they tend to be delicate, fluttery little souls.

Would you mind delicately explaining why the warming ended in the year 2000 while the CO2 continued to increase?

Even if CO2 had stayed flat following 2000, the AGW science demands that warming continue.

What say you?

 

[code1211]

That doesn't really contradict what I said...

But when the OP says artic sea ice is normal, its clearly not and the artic nations are taking notice and taking action.





Exxon-Mobil is not signing 500 billion dollar deals to keep up the "illusion" of climate change.



These nations aren't doing all this to keep up the "illusion"

The melting north | The Economist

That article on the opening of the various northern shipping routes sounds like a bit of good news.

All of the effects of warming that I've noticed seem like pretty good news. The frantically proclaimed warnings of stronger storms seems to have been hype. The flooding of the coastal regions seems to have been hype. Ongoing drought seems to have been hype.

This spring has been cold and prolonged and I'm not in favor. This year's Indy 500 will be raced in temperatures 25 degrees cooler than last year. Last year was too hot. This year is too cold.

I guess I need to live under a dome.