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Climate Change Censorship Under Trump

Buzz just because you do not understand the data does not mean I am wrong!
The concept of the greenhouse effect is that added greenhouse gases cause a top of the atmosphere energy imbalance, they do this by decreasing the OLR!
We are not gaining energy in the longwave spectrum, only the shortwave spectrum, greenhouse gases can only directly alter the longwave spectrum!
To be fair, I do think you are missing some part of the heat exchange. But at the same time, I understand the error ranges are great enough so I will not say you are wrong like he claims certainty of. i do think you are interpreting part of it incorrect though.

His certainty is why I laugh at him.
 
You are one of those who thinks they know more than they do, so why are you laughing? Is it at yourself?
If I don't know as much as I think I do then why have I been able to show that you and longview are wrong about climate science repeatedly over the years while you have very rarely shown me to be wrong?
 
Buzz just because you do not understand the data does not mean I am wrong!
I understand the data just fine. That is why all the legitimate studies you keep citing agree with me and contradict you.

Hell... you just got called out for cherry-picking the words of a study while you ignored the parts that refute your often-repeated lie that there is no empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming. And, of course, you just pretend this didn't just happen.
The concept of the greenhouse effect is that added greenhouse gases cause a top of the atmosphere energy imbalance, they do this by decreasing the OLR!
And every single climate scientist working in the field believes this to be true. The study you cited last Tuesday explicitly states this is happening several times. It is ONLY YOU who believes otherwise.
We are not gaining energy in the longwave spectrum, only the shortwave spectrum, greenhouse gases can only directly alter the longwave spectrum!
This is just more lies. The measured downward longwave energy has been increasing, so the planet is gaining longwave energy. And GHGs do affect the shortwave spectrum both directly and indirectly. Those indirect effects are known as feedbacks.

For God's sake, long... would you please quit lying about the science of climate change?
 
If I don't know as much as I think I do then why have I been able to show that you and longview are wrong about climate science repeatedly over the years while you have very rarely shown me to be wrong?
That is a figment of your imagination. You do not show me wrong. You alter my words to create a straw-man to win against.

How many times have I had to point that out to you?
 
To be fair, I do think you are missing some part of the heat exchange. But at the same time, I understand the error ranges are great enough so I will not say you are wrong like he claims certainty of. i do think you are interpreting part of it incorrect though.
What's the matter, Lord? Are you unable to just admit the truth that longview is lying about the science of climate change? Much of what he keeps claiming is directly contradicted by most of the studies he cites.
His certainty is why I laugh at him.
Yeah... well fortunately for me I can cite peer-reviewed and published studies that back me up. Longview can't cite any that back up his favorite lies.
That is a figment of your imagination. You do not show me wrong. You alter my words to create a straw-man to win against.
This is nothing but another of your pathetic lies. I have shown you to be wrong many many times. I never intentionally alter your words. And I know for a fact that you can't cite a single instance where I did.
How many times have I had to point that out to you?
Yes, you do repeat this lie quite frequently whenever you can't refute the fact that I often prove you wrong.
 
I understand the data just fine. That is why all the legitimate studies you keep citing agree with me and contradict you.
With empirical results? I think not.
Hell... you just got called out for cherry-picking the words of a study while you ignored the parts that refute your often-repeated lie that there is no empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming. And, of course, you just pretend this didn't just happen.
Can you show us a study that shows empirical evidence that CO2 has a net warming using the entire column of the atmosphere with all its feedback mechanisms positive and negative?

I would really like to see that study...

It does not exist!
And every single climate scientist working in the field believes this to be true.
Hell, I believe it causes an overall warming. that does not mean it is true. My opinion is not fact. i will not make such a stupid arrogant statement because I understand how the error ranges and other factors involved can change the outcome.
The study you cited last Tuesday explicitly states this is happening several times. It is ONLY YOU who believes otherwise.
The study surmises that by seeing an approximate 0.2 increased downward forcing of CO2 spectra from 2000 to 2011, for an approximate CO2 increase from 369 ppm to 385 ppm.

Assuming this is from CO2, why is it a 1:1 for what is suppose to be happening at the TOA?

5.35 x ln(385/369) = 0.227

Now here is what they don't tell you. we have seen from other studies more surface insolation heating the surface. A warmer surface will have more upward IR, which in return will return more downward IR of CO2 spectra, even if the percentage of CO2 spectra return remains the same. the paper does not account for insolation changes. It acts as if CO2 is the only variable.

This is the same thing as a lie by omission. Without comparing the returned CO2 spectra with the upward longwave emissions, the reading are a joke.

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This is just more lies. The measured downward longwave energy has been increasing, so the planet is gaining longwave energy. And GHGs do affect the shortwave spectrum both directly and indirectly. Those indirect effects are known as feedbacks.
If the entire greenhouse effect, cloud return, and other atmospheric variables remained the same with no change, a hotter surface will return more downward longwave. If the surface radiate 0.1% more heat upward, then al,the spectra will increase by 0.1% downward.

You cannot limit yourself to what the author is selling for his brownie points.
For God's sake, long... would you please quit lying about the science of climate change?
You are the one that does not understand how to interpret science.
 
Now I will not take the time for the comparison. At least not now. But we know the surface insolation has increased during this same period, heating the surface more. If the calculated temperature is extrapolated to upward longwave changes, I will bet the ratio of changing upward longwave to changing downward longwave will be insignificantly off from 1:1.

Are you up to the challenge to show us I am wrong? Just remember, temperature to emitted longwave is a fourth power ratio.
 
I understand the data just fine. That is why all the legitimate studies you keep citing agree with me and contradict you.

Hell... you just got called out for cherry-picking the words of a study while you ignored the parts that refute your often-repeated lie that there is no empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming. And, of course, you just pretend this didn't just happen.

And every single climate scientist working in the field believes this to be true. The study you cited last Tuesday explicitly states this is happening several times. It is ONLY YOU who believes otherwise.

This is just more lies. The measured downward longwave energy has been increasing, so the planet is gaining longwave energy. And GHGs do affect the shortwave spectrum both directly and indirectly. Those indirect effects are known as feedbacks.

For God's sake, long... would you please quit lying about the science of climate change?
Buzz words don’t change the observed data!
Tell me more about the direct effects that greenhouse gases have on the shortwave spectrum? What physics effect causes something absorbing longwave radiation to alter the amount of incoming sunlight?
 
Look, you two... the main reason I jumped into this thread is to disprove one of longview's often-told lies. I did so with his source that he dishonestly cherry-picked a quote from. I didn't come here to debunk a bunch of goal-post moves or chase you guys down a bunch of rabbit holes.

The fact of the matter is that there IS empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming. Now, let's all see if long has any shame and quits repeating the lie that there isn't.
 
Look, you two... the main reason I jumped into this thread is to disprove one of longview's often-told lies. I did so with his source that he dishonestly cherry-picked a quote from. I didn't come here to debunk a bunch of goal-post moves or chase you guys down a bunch of rabbit holes.

The fact of the matter is that there IS empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming. Now, let's all see if long has any shame and quits repeating the lie that there isn't.
No, there is data showing an increase in the surface longwave radiation, but that would only matter if it was matched by a decrease in the outbound longwave radiation. Unfortunately the outbound longwave radiation increased in that same timeframe, meaning that net longwave flux (longwave energy imbalance) decreased.
Warming from added greenhouse gases would come from blocking enough of the OLR, to increase the longwave energy imbalance.
Because the OLR increased, no warming could result from the longwave spectrum.
We are warming, but not because of anything happening in the longwave spectrum!
We are warming because more of the available sunlight is reaching the surface, and less of that sunlight is being reflected. This is not something that greenhouse gases can cause, as they are largely transparent to the shortwave spectrum.
 
No, there is data showing an increase in the surface longwave radiation, but that would only matter if it was matched by a decrease in the outbound longwave radiation. Unfortunately the outbound longwave radiation increased in that same timeframe, meaning that net longwave flux (longwave energy imbalance) decreased.
Warming from added greenhouse gases would come from blocking enough of the OLR, to increase the longwave energy imbalance.
Because the OLR increased, no warming could result from the longwave spectrum.
We are warming, but not because of anything happening in the longwave spectrum!
We are warming because more of the available sunlight is reaching the surface, and less of that sunlight is being reflected. This is not something that greenhouse gases can cause, as they are largely transparent to the shortwave spectrum.
This is just another of your zombie lies that has been debunked numerous times by several different people including myself repeatedly. And every single study you have cited to show the CERES satellite data you base this on says you are wrong.

You still have yet to cite a single climate scientist who interprets the data as you do. Hell... even Lord of Planar has admitted you are wrong about this.

Why can't you stop lying about this?
 
This is just another of your zombie lies that has been debunked numerous times by several different people including myself repeatedly. And every single study you have cited to show the CERES satellite data you base this on says you are wrong.

You still have yet to cite a single climate scientist who interprets the data as you do. Hell... even Lord of Planar has admitted you are wrong about this.

Why can't you stop lying about this?
You have not provided any evidence that I am wrong!
 
And yet another pathetic lie.

Here is a link to one time I provided evidence and quotes from the authors of a study you frequently cite.

Here is another instance.

And another.

There are others but I don't feel like wasting a bunch of time finding more.

The fact of the matter is that I have been debunking this lie of yours for more than 2 years now.

Damn, long... you lie like a rug.
You were wrong then and are still wrong!
Our climate system is complex, and individual contributions to the net longwave flux only matter if the overall net from added greenhouse gases is positive. Therein lies the problem, between 2000 and 2024 the greenhouse gas levels rose, but the net longwave flux decreased!
Will added greenhouse gases cause warming moving forward, the answer from physics is a resounding “NO”! To cause warming the added greenhouse gases would have to cause an increase in the net longwave flux, but they have not for as long as we have had the capability to measure the net longwave flux!
 
Look, you two... the main reason I jumped into this thread is to disprove one of longview's often-told lies. I did so with his source that he dishonestly cherry-picked a quote from. I didn't come here to debunk a bunch of goal-post moves or chase you guys down a bunch of rabbit holes.

The fact of the matter is that there IS empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming. Now, let's all see if long has any shame and quits repeating the lie that there isn't.
Then show us the evidence. Observation shows that it does help warm the atmoshere. However, there seems to be no emperocal evidence that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes any significant increase.
 
This is just another of your zombie lies that has been debunked numerous times by several different people including myself repeatedly. And every single study you have cited to show the CERES satellite data you base this on says you are wrong.
Recent satellite data indicates our current warming is coming from mor absorbed solar energy. Here you go denying science again.
You still have yet to cite a single climate scientist who interprets the data as you do. Hell... even Lord of Planar has admitted you are wrong about this.
Only on one aspect, but I am not certain he is wrong. I dont carry around the DK effect like you do.
Why can't you stop lying about this?
I different interpretation does not make for a lie.
 
And yet another pathetic lie.

Here is a link to one time I provided evidence and quotes from the authors of a study you frequently cite.

Here is another instance.

And another.

There are others but I don't feel like wasting a bunch of time finding more.

The fact of the matter is that I have been debunking this lie of yours for more than 2 years now.

Damn, long... you lie like a rug.
I found an interesting study by some researchers attempting to validate the concept.
The Influence of IR Absorption and Backscatter Radiation from CO2 on Air Temperature during Heating in a Simulated Earth/Atmosphere Experiment
5. Conclusion

The results of our study show the near-identical heating curves when we change from air to 100% CO2 or to Argon gas with low CO2 concentration. Nevertheless, we observed absorption of IR radiation in the front chamber. We also observed the increased radiation density in the rear chamber due to the backscatter from CO2. The change in observed backscatter radiation should give us a measurable temperature increase of 2.4 to 4 K by using the Stefan Boltzmann law. But we only observe a very slight temperature increase due to CO2 backscatter. This indicates that heating, due to IR backscatter from CO2, is much less than what is assumed from the Stefan Boltzmann law or from the forcing Equation (1a) and Equation (1b). The near-identical heating curves for all the three gases indicate that the thermal energy transfer is only driven by the temperature of the back wall of the rear chamber. Without extra heating of the walls in the rear chamber, the air temperature cannot increase. These findings might question the fundament of the forcing laws used by the IPCC.
They verified what we are observing in the atmosphere, IR backscatter is happening, but the amount is not enough
to force the temperature much.

When the observations do not match the theory, the theory is wrong!
 
Trump's want agencies to focus on the "benefits" with climate change.


While Republican states are hurt by devastating weather events.



 
Trump's want agencies to focus on the "benefits" with climate change.


While Republican states are hurt by devastating weather events.




So your belief is that if the CO2 levels would stop rising, then all the bad weather events in the world would stop?
 
So your belief is that if the CO2 levels would stop rising, then all the bad weather events in the world would stop?

Climate change leads to more frequent and devastating weather events.


There the National Climate Assessment program have been ongoing since the early 90's. So Republican politicians and their staff have had every opportunity to scrutinize the evidence. With the results that the National Climate Assessment reports have continuned to show the urgent need to reduce CO2 emissions.

From 2018:

"The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term."


From 2023:

"The more the planet warms, the greater the impacts. Without rapid and deep reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions from human activities, the risks of accelerating sea level rise, intensifying extreme weather, and other harmful climate impacts will continue to grow. Each additional increment of warming is expected to lead to more damage and greater economic losses compared to previous increments of warming, while the risk of catastrophic or unforeseen consequences also increases. {2.3, 19.1}

However, this also means that each increment of warming that the world avoids—through actions that cut emissions or remove carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere—reduces the risks and harmful impacts of climate change. While there are still uncertainties about how the planet will react to rapid warming, the degree to which climate change will continue to worsen is largely in human hands. {2.3, 3.4}"

 
Climate change leads to more frequent and devastating weather events.


There the National Climate Assessment program have been ongoing since the early 90's. So Republican politicians and their staff have had every opportunity to scrutinize the evidence. With the results that the National Climate Assessment reports have continuned to show the urgent need to reduce CO2 emissions.

From 2018:

"The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term."


From 2023:

"The more the planet warms, the greater the impacts. Without rapid and deep reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions from human activities, the risks of accelerating sea level rise, intensifying extreme weather, and other harmful climate impacts will continue to grow. Each additional increment of warming is expected to lead to more damage and greater economic losses compared to previous increments of warming, while the risk of catastrophic or unforeseen consequences also increases. {2.3, 19.1}

However, this also means that each increment of warming that the world avoids—through actions that cut emissions or remove carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere—reduces the risks and harmful impacts of climate change. While there are still uncertainties about how the planet will react to rapid warming, the degree to which climate change will continue to worsen is largely in human hands. {2.3, 3.4}"

So again, do you believe that if the CO2 level stops increasing, that all bed weather events around the world will stop?
 
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