2) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.
You do realize all guns sold through the internet must be sent to a someone with a federal firearms license (FFL) in your state of residence. After the gun has shipped to the dealer in you state your must still fill out a 4473 (background check) before you may take possession of the weapon. You cannot just simply buy the gun online and have it shipped to your home with no paper trail.
2) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.
You do realize all guns sold through the internet must be sent to a someone with a federal firearms license (FFL) in your state of residence. After the gun has shipped to the dealer in you state your must still fill out a 4473 (background check) before you may take possession of the weapon. You cannot just simply buy the gun online and have it shipped to your home with no paper trail.
Well, that is probably true. Haven't heard of a mass shooter taking on a gun club yet.
But on the other side of that coin is that there are some damn idiots who want to carry guns. It is like the local moron here who went into a Costco restroom to take a dump and ended up dropping his pistol on the floor causing it to fire a shot off. Fortunately nobody got hit. There are a number of stories of morons shooting their best friend because they ignored the basic rules of gunmanship.
I like the idea of this 22 year old man having a gun but not fond of the nervous Rambos waving that gun around. It is just like car drivers. Some are quite excellent and respectful and then you have the idiots.
I absolutely have no idea how you separate the idiots from intelligent people.
Deterence.. hahaha.. Well, if we are one dimensional thinkers, maybe. However, some of us can think beyond and rationalize the situation. Yes, you are safer in an ARMED society by being armed. However, if guns were not so easily available, it begs to question weather many of these instances would have taken place to begin with. If there were no one there with a gun, you would not need to defend yourself against it. Simple logic... All guns start out being sold legally to someone or some organization. It is what happens after that, that causes the problems. So the only way to control that, is to very tightly control, or ban guns. Those who obtain guns illegally, obtain them from someone who got them legally at some point.
Deterence.. hahaha.. Well, if we are one dimensional thinkers, maybe. However, some of us can think beyond and rationalize the situation. Yes, you are safer in an ARMED society by being armed. However, if guns were not so easily available, it begs to question weather many of these instances would have taken place to begin with. If there were no one there with a gun, you would not need to defend yourself against it. Simple logic... All guns start out being sold legally to someone or some organization. It is what happens after that, that causes the problems. So the only way to control that, is to very tightly control, or ban guns. Those who obtain guns illegally, obtain them from someone who got them legally at some point.
its amazing the amount of idiocy spewed by the media, politicians and the fuzzy-brained gun haters. I cannot tell you how many fools have whined about automatic weapons
the only way to buy a gun by mail without going to a dealer (and assuming you are not a dealer or holder of a Federal "Curio and relic license) is through the ODCMP-the Civilian Marksmanship program
to buy a gun (usually a GARAND surplus rifle) you have to sign an affidavit and prove
1) you are a member of a CMP certified program (gun clubs affiliated with the program)
2) proof of firearms activity-such as a CCW permit. the ODCMP conducts the same background check on you that a dealer does before the rifle is shipped to you.
but true, there is no internet sales to non license holders. it like the "Gun show loophole" is a figment of the deliberately lying anti gun thugs
You are completely correct. This represents the reality of the world. An important question to ask, however, is whether such a solution would be feasible in the US. The US compared to other countries that have implemented strict gun control policies did not have to deal with the shear volume of firearms already available to citizens in the US. Initiating a gun ban in the US would be extremely ineffective given the vast amount of firearms already in the "market" and various constitutional barriers (illegal search and seizure, 2nd amendment, etc). So what you are saying is true, but the solution is not feasible. We would not be able to meaningfully reduce the size of the pool of guns from which criminals can get them.
If a handful of robbers are waylaying merchants as they traverse common routes, isnt the answer to grab a sword yourself?It certainly is feasible. It would take action on an immense scale, and this is exactly what needs to happen. I am completely flabbergasted that there are people who believe throwing more guns into this perilous situation is the answer. I just don't understand how increasing the availability of guns will solve this issue. All you would be doing is making it even cheaper to get a gun on the streets illegally.
It certainly is feasible. It would take action on an immense scale, and this is exactly what needs to happen. I am completely flabbergasted that there are people who believe throwing more guns into this perilous situation is the answer. I just don't understand how increasing the availability of guns will solve this issue. All you would be doing is making it even cheaper to get a gun on the streets illegally.
If a handful of robbers are waylaying merchants as they traverse common routes, isnt the answer to grab a sword yourself?
I bet you dont believe in controlled fires during dry seasons.
Action would be required on an immense scale because of the vast amount of firearms involved and would require more than just sacrificing gun rights given the political realities in the US (things like privacy, illegal search and seizure, private property, etc). This would go so far that in my opinion the ends would no longer justify the means. I completely agree with you on everything else though.
So lets say we somehow magically get rid of all the guns, and these violent acts still happen; as they have for hundreds of years before the gun was invented; then what? What would be the new inanimate object to blame? Maybe one day we will Instead focus on trying to find the real answers for why people commit such heinous acts. But instead we play the blame game because that is far more easy.
Entirely false! Law enforcements motto is to PROTECT and serve. It is the motto almost every police force is based on. If the police were there only to investigate after the fact, then why is so much money put in to protecting society? If this were true, calling 911 would be pointless. They would just tell you they could not do anything until you were dead or someone else was dead. Thats just insane.
I understand what you are saying completely. These things will still happen, they just wont happen nearly as often with the use of firearms. The fact that ALL of the most recent mass killings have occurred via firearms suggests this is the easiest way to kill many people quickly. Are there other ways, yes. However, if there were easier ways, these people would have utilized them rather than using guns. Guns are the issue right now that needs to be addressed.
My point was that it is not written in stone.
I understand what you are saying completely. These things will still happen, they just wont happen nearly as often with the use of firearms. The fact that ALL of the most recent mass killings have occurred via firearms suggests this is the easiest way to kill many people quickly. Are there other ways, yes. However, if there were easier ways, these people would have utilized them rather than using guns. Guns are the issue right now that needs to be addressed.
The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured. The perpetrator first killed his wife, and committed suicide with his last explosion. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.
The bomber was the school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was angry after being defeated in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat; he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe carried out steps in his plan to destroy the school and his farm by purchasing and hiding explosives.
Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head. On the morning of May 18 about 8:45, he exploded incendiary devices in his house and farm buildings, setting them on fire and destroying them.
Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.
Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just to let you know, courts have upheld that the police don't actually have a duty to protect you. They don't exist to serve you. They exist to protect and serve the law.
They are not. Mental health care is. Our mental stability is. Any other idea is bunk. Why? We can't stop people from being violent, but maybe we can at least give some people an outlet to stop them from going on a killing spree. Btw people don't need a gun to do this, that just happens to be what they see on the news. How many dangerous chemicals and items can you lay your hands on in a day? I know scores for me...and I am not ever in a tool store or chemical facility.
Why not address why so many mass killers are white? Educated? Do you know anything about mass killers mind set? Their drive? Motive? Does CNN? The media can't even tell you who the correct mass shooter is, and where his mother works. Maybe we should talk about how the news should only be on once a day and how we have no responsible journalism and they beat us over the head with this depressing crap.
Unless I am mistaken, individual rights are protected by the law. As long as things like murder, assault and harassment are protected rights by law, then police are obligated to PROTECT us and arrest those who violate these basic individual rights to be free of these things.
Yes, we have a societal issue as well. One that goes very deep. I believe it all started with the feminist movement and the destruction of the family. The issue is that with our societal problems combined with the easy access to guns, we now find ourselves with these situations occurring. But, you don't get off that easy, no. Mass shootings is not the only issue we have with firearms. If that were the only issue we were having, then I would agree that this should be addressed via mental health clinics and more public awareness of mental health issues. However, even without these mass shootings, we have a gun issue in this country. To many crimes committed in connection with the use of firearms. To many firearms leaving this country into mexico killing those poor people there. Those are much larger issues than mass shootings. Mass shootings like this make up a small percentage of the total victims of gun violence every year.
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