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Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----


Come to Dearborn Michigan and you will see this with your own two eyes. Dozens of watering holes doing brisk lunch business almost all courtesy of FoMoCo suits. Then they go back to work for Ford's feeling a bit happier. But if they are a union member - all hell breaks loose.

This is merely a double standard being exploited and demagogued by the anti-union crowd as part of their war on the working class.

Again, almost no one drinks to the level you claim, but if they did, I would be if I was a factory worker, be far more wary of a drinking co-worker than a dude on a computer.
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And that would be because you certainly can do no damage with a few strokes of your computer?!?!?!?! :mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
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So, not allowing drinking by heavy equipment factory workers at lunch is "war on the working class?" seriously?


what evidence do you have of your claim regarding dearborn and these "suits" drinking at lunch? Perhaps the union should negotiate drinking for factory workers at lunch then. :shrug:
 

You are acting as if you jut found out that babies do not come from the cabbage patch. The idea that executive suits for Fords actually drink during lunch and keep many of the topless places in big bucks entertaining clients is not exactly a subject that SIXTY MINUTES is going to do this Sunday as breaking investigatory journalism.

But a small number of grunts getting some during lunch is suddenly a big deal? It probably is if it serves your anti-union, anti worker agenda
 

Not all(or even most) jobs in auto plants are "heavy equipment" jobs.
 
So some white collar exec takes a client to the local version of SCORES, drinks for a couple of hours and then comes back to his office three sheets to the wind. So how good are the decisions he is going to make on behalf of the company, its employees, its total operations at that particular time?

The point here is NOT that anybody should be drinking on the job. The point here is that there is a double standard in effect and it works against the unionized workers allowing anti-union people to exploit when a small number of line workers are caught doing this while the news media ignores the suits doing the same thing.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So then the Union should fight to allow the parts dept to drink at lunch? I am not following the logic here.
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Seeing that it happens every day, all the time anyway. (I guess that's the logic... :shrug
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So then the Union should fight to allow the parts dept to drink at lunch? I am not following the logic here.
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Straw man Rev. I did not say that, I simply corrected the inaccurate part of your post.
 


I won't take your word for it, you would need to provide evidence of this, and it's acceptance, and it's rate of occurrance in order for it to be an argument that holds merit.





how is it "against" unionized workers? Are they confused about not being allowed to drink on the job?
 
Redress said:
Straw man Rev. I did not say that, I simply corrected the inaccurate part of your post.
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It's not an arguement, it's a question to try and understand that thought process...
 
Redress said:
Straw man Rev. I did not say that, I simply corrected the inaccurate part of your post.
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It was a question... but, Actually think about it, it's not a strawman, let's say your the parts counter guy you go to get a muffler for a customers 89 thunderbird, and when you get it from a low level bin, the dood who spent his lunch break with a 6 pack of steel city, doesn't see you there as he barrels down on you in his hi-lo..,..

Drinking affects more than the drinker. rof
 

No, you are assuming the guys doing the drinking(which no one has defended) is the one driving the hilo. Most likely, he is someone who stands in one spot operating some machine that he can get rate on for 8 hours in about an hour and a half and which has so many safety devices the only way he could hurt himself with it is if he tried to pick it up.
 


Or when he stumbles off the line and into a steel press.....Or when he stumbles into, and, or when he......


There is no place for drinking on the job in a warehouse/factory, etc. at all.
 
Let's put this in perspective to the thread:




In what world is this safe, and in what world could someone call calling this out a "war on the working class"?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Or when he stumbles off the line and into a steel press.....Or when he stumbles into, and, or when he......


There is no place for drinking on the job in a warehouse/factory, etc. at all.
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No one has claimed there is Rev. The claim is that the problem is not the union.
 

I could not care less what you accept and what you do not accept from me. If you want to stand there with your fingers jammed into your ears, your eyes firmly shut and your head stuck in the sand like an ostrich - that is your right. The reality that some suits drink on lunch and others are even spent to spend large parts of the day in clubs entertaining clients is not exactly news..... but feel free to pretend that you do not know the score in the real world if that makes your debating position stronger in your own mind.

Your own demanded standards are not even met by the news story of these few workers but that does not stop you from riding it like its going to carry you to victory.

And why do you keep strawmanning this issue? Nobody wants workers to drink on the job. Got that?
 
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Out company does lots of work and bidding for several in the auto industry, More than one company has a policy of no drinking, even when my sales folks are buying.... I know folks who work with ford, GM, and chrysler, and other than maybe some top executives, drinking on the job is a no-no, just as it is for the union folk.

there is know "war on the working class" via a "martini lunch".....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Isn't the union appealing these druggin and drinkin machine shop workers? :shock:
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The union is representing the workers, which is their obligation. In cases like this, think of the union as kinda like lawyers.
 
Redress said:
The union is representing the workers, which is their obligation. In cases like this, think of the union as kinda like lawyers.
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hmm. Ok, I can undestand that... Like the whole PBA lawyer stuff, they aren't condoning drinking on the hi-los.... I get it...
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
hmm. Ok, I can undestand that... Like the whole PBA lawyer stuff, they aren't condoning drinking on the hi-los.... I get it...
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I have no clue what a PBA lawyer is, so cannot comment on the comparison.

The union's part in worker dispute hearings is to ensure that the worker's rights under the contract are not violated. They may present the case for the worker. In an appeal situation, it's the worker who decides to appeal. If they do, the union represents them as presented above.
 

My neighbor owns his own shop which depends on Ford parts contracts. He spends at least two afternoons most weeks across the river in Windsor entertaining Ford executives at the nudie ballet bars in Canada. He has a regular account there and spends so much money on food and drinks and 'incidentals' that they simply bill him monthly. He could educate you on the ability of Ford suits to imbibe and sate their demands for physical pleasure.
 


Again, anecdotal without evidence is not evidence. I won't simply take your word for it here, perhaps you have some linkable evidence that would support your claim.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Again, anecdotal without evidence is not evidence. I won't simply take your word for it here, perhaps you have some linkable evidence that would support your claim.
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I suggest going to a strip club during lunch then, see how many people pop in for an hour or two then go back to work. They are very unlikely to be blue collars workers doing that
 
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