Christianity and Mormons (1 Viewer)

[eman623]

Not really.

Ask a Mormon Missionary if a Baptist or Catholic, or ANY Christian can enter the Celestial Kingdom? Mormons consider themselves above Christians. Jesus is insufficient to enter the highest level of heaven. Jesus only got it "half right." Joseph Smith is the true savior who opens the way to Godhood. Mormon Jesus (a very different creature than Christian Jesus) died to remit sin, but that only keeps one from being cast into the outer darkness. To get into heaven requires the rituals laid out by Joseph Smith (a 33rd degree Mason).

I think Mormons do believe everyone can enter their "celestial kingdom"

Mormons don't accept the Christian Bible. Joseph Smith declared that the Bible is "mistranslated" and was going to create a "perfect translation," but you know, he got busy - all those wives take a lot of time...

They do accept the bible. And Jesus as the Christ.

No, Mormons don't consider themselves Christians, and neither do Christians consider them as such.

Mormons do consider themselves Christians. I don't care what people in other religions think about that. They don't get a say here

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think Mormons do believe everyone can enter their "celestial kingdom"

Then you think wrong.

They do accept the bible. And Jesus as the Christ.

"In so far as it is translated correctly." - Smith openly stated that the Bible is NOT translated correctly - hence the Bible is NOT authoritative in Mormonism.


As for salvation through Mormon Jesus, this is conditional as described in D&C upon "faith, repentance, baptism, and enduring to the end by keeping the commandments of God". The final point, enduring is the rituals of Mormonism.

Mormons do consider themselves Christians. I don't care what people in other religions think about that. They don't get a say here

Not really - Mormons consider themselves above Christians, more enlightened. This is why Mormon Missionaries primarily target Christians for conversion. IF Mormons considered themselves Christians, there would be no reason to convert Christians.

For the record, I am NOT a Christian.

 

[Rumpel]

Whataboutism.

Saying that Catholics have no evidence for Transubstantiation in no way is evidence for Golden Plates that no one ever saw. Even the three "witnesses" Smith used stated that they saw the plates in "visions." No one ever saw these plates - ever.

If you make incredible claims, you must provide substantial evidence.

And where are those plates NOW?

 

[maquiscat]

Mormons are not Christians, they are Mormons. It is a distinct and unique religion.

Still has nothing to do with the post I made to the OP.

 

[Dragonfly]

Not really - Mormons consider themselves above Christians, more enlightened.

That's makes them christians, as all christians think they're above everyone else, and more enlightened.

There's thousands of posts here at DP from christians proving that fact.

 

[Gordy327]

That's makes them christians, as all christians think they're above everyone else, and more enlightened.

There's thousands of posts here at DP from christians proving that fact.

Delusions of grandeur, eh?

 

[Uncensored2008]

And where are those plates NOW?

They never existed.

 

[Dragonfly]

Mormons are not Christians,

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/christians?lang=eng

Whose web page is that exactly?

What's the very first sentence?

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians.

Pay attention. I already posted this stuff.

 

[eman623]

Then you think wrong.

I don't think so.

"In so far as it is translated correctly." - Smith openly stated that the Bible is NOT translated correctly - hence the Bible is NOT authoritative in Mormonism.

But he still thought it was the word of God. In any case, what Smith thought of the bible is a different question than belief in Jesus as a savior.

As for salvation through Mormon Jesus, this is conditional as described in D&C upon "faith, repentance, baptism, and enduring to the end by keeping the commandments of God". The final point, enduring is the rituals of Mormonism.

Again, not the question here.

Not really - Mormons consider themselves above Christians, more enlightened. This is why Mormon Missionaries primarily target Christians for conversion. IF Mormons considered themselves Christians, there would be no reason to convert Christians.

I'm just going off what Mormons say and they say they are Christians. That's all I care about. People get to say what they are.

For the record, I am NOT a Christian.

Neither am I.

 

[maquiscat]

That's makes them christians, as all christians think they're above everyone else, and more enlightened.

There's thousands of posts here at DP from christians proving that fact.

Hey now! Let's not broad brush. Some of us don't think we're above anyone else or more enlightened. I won't deny that there are plenty out there. Just that we are not all like that. Personally, I end up presenting positions and opinions that makes Christians of the type you are referring to, to claim me not a Christian.

 

[Rumpel]

They never existed.

I know ….

What i mean is …. Where are they according to Joe Smith?

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's makes them christians, as all christians think they're above everyone else, and more enlightened.

There's thousands of posts here at DP from christians proving that fact.

Christophobic bigotry on your part doesn't make Mormonism Christianity. These are two separate and distinct religions.

 

[maquiscat]

Christophobic bigotry on your part doesn't make Mormonism Christianity. These are two separate and distinct religions.

That's a prime example of a True Scotsman fallacy there. Outside of a belief that Jesus is the Christ and died as the ultimate sacrifice for all sin, there is universal definition for what a Christian is. You can't even get them to agree on whether Jesus is God in another form or is a separate being altogether.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I know ….

What i mean is …. Where are they according to Joe Smith?

Got it. Smith said the Angel Moroni took them into the spirit realm.

Apparently this Moroni dude was an American Indian, but also a Jew who lived 1,600 years ago and wrote the history of the 13th Tribe of Israel on these golden plates. The Jews were somehow in Palmyra New York and fought a great battle with other Indian/Jews and were losing, so Moroni buried the plates to keep them safe. Moroni was killed in the battle and 1,400 years later appeared to Joe Smith to tell him where the plates were. Then gave him magic doodads so he could translate them.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's a prime example of a True Scotsman fallacy there. Outside of a belief that Jesus is the Christ and died as the ultimate sacrifice for all sin, there is universal definition for what a Christian is. You can't even get them to agree on whether Jesus is God in another form or is a separate being altogether.

Really?

Which Christian denomination does not recognize Jesus as God?

Catholic?
Lutheran?
Baptist?
Pentecostal?
Methodist?
Episcopalian?

I'd like to know, as I've never encountered any Christian faith that denied the deity of Christ.

 

[maquiscat]

Really?

Which Christian denomination does not recognize Jesus as God?

Catholic?
Lutheran?
Baptist?
Pentecostal?
Methodist?
Episcopalian?

I'd like to know, as I've never encountered any Christian faith that denied the deity of Christ.

Modern nontrinitarian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Science, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Members Church of God International, Oneness Pentecostals, La Luz del Mundo, the Seventh Day Church of God, Unitarian Christians, United Church of God, and The Shepherd's Chapel.

I've already got a bet going that you will claim these denominations as not being true Christians, which only will reinforce your use of the True Scotsman fallacy. Although the disbelief of the Trinity does not deny the deity of Jesus. As the son of God, he is a god in his own right. He's just not, by the nontrinitarian belief, the same being as the Father and the Holy Ghost.

 

[Buckeyes85]

I've already got a bet going that you will claim these denominations as not being true Christians, which only will reinforce your use of the True Scotsman fallacy. Although the disbelief of the Trinity does not deny the deity of Jesus. As the son of God, he is a god in his own right. He's just not, by the nontrinitarian belief, the same being as the Father and the Holy Ghost.

Who gets to decide who is a "true" christian vs. a faux christian, or christian wannabe?

 

[maquiscat]

Who gets to decide who is a "true" christian vs. a faux christian, or christian wannabe?

Rather my point. We can at the least say that a Christian is one who believes that Jesus was/is the Christ and was the sacrifice for all sins. I have not found a single denominations, sect, cult or whatever that has ever said anything other than that. Everything else has been up in the air with each group claiming that their interpretation is the only correct one.