You call it gay marriage.... if you REALLY thought it was "marriage" you wouldn't need to say "gay" before it... clearly you have issues with it as well.
Why is it your business when a gay couple tries to adopt?
Because a gay couple cannot produce their own child due to a choice they made. I think its the governments job to protect those that can't protect themselves ie a fetus or orphans. We, as a society, make the point all the time that a fatherless or motherless child usually ends up worse than a child with both. Well, which one does a gay couple provide?
The ability to procreate is irrelevant when it comes to the ability to raise a child. All research demonstrates this. A child who grows up in a two parent household, REGARDLESS of the sexual orientation of the parents or whether the two parents are the opposite or the same sex, do better than children who grow up in single parent households. Whether the parents are both gay or both straight has no bearing on how the child does.
I believe it does, so, we disagree.
What evidence do you base your belief on?
I'm a Christian, so, the Bible.
Because a gay couple cannot produce their own child due to a choice they made. I think its the governments job to protect those that can't protect themselves ie a fetus or orphans. We, as a society, make the point all the time that a fatherless or motherless child usually ends up worse than a child with both. Well, which one does a gay couple provide?
A gay couple raise children just as well as a straight couple. The reason that children of single parent families come out worse isnt because they are motherless or fatherless. Its because the parent doesnt have as much time or resources to devote to raising the child.
Where in the Bible does it say that children are not raised as well by gay couples? I'm pretty religious and read the Bible every day, and I don't recall any passage like that.
Wouldn't someone raised by a gay couple be without a mother or father?
Seriously? If the Bible says being gay is wrong, wouldn't it be assumed that that same gay couple that is wrong shouldn't raise a kid? The equivalent would be the Bible saying its wrong to steal but its okay to use the item you stole. Its inter-related.
Well, there are several problems with this argument. Firstly, whether or not the Bible says that being gay is wrong is open for interpretation. I have posted, several times, evidence that shows that the Bible does NOT say that being gay is wrong. At the very least, it comments on behavior, not orientation. Next, it IS a leap to say that if it is not OK to be gay, it is not OK for one who is gay to raise children. Using your example, since the bible says it is not OK to steal, then it stands to reason that anyone who steals should not raise children. I can go on and on with this... ultimately, NO ONE would be able to raise children. Also, if you are going to be a Biblical literalist, I would ask you whether you believe in slavery, genocide, and plenty of other pretty awful things in the Bible. Can't pick and choose. Lastly, if you are against gay marriage on moral/religious reasons, that's fine, I respect that. However, scientifically, those positions hold no water.
I think you need to, pay close attention to the 14th amendment.
Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
Well, there are several problems with this argument. Firstly, whether or not the Bible says that being gay is wrong is open for interpretation. I have posted, several times, evidence that shows that the Bible does NOT say that being gay is wrong. At the very least, it comments on behavior, not orientation. Next, it IS a leap to say that if it is not OK to be gay, it is not OK for one who is gay to raise children. Using your example, since the bible says it is not OK to steal, then it stands to reason that anyone who steals should not raise children. I can go on and on with this... ultimately, NO ONE would be able to raise children. Also, if you are going to be a Biblical literalist, I would ask you whether you believe in slavery, genocide, and plenty of other pretty awful things in the Bible. Can't pick and choose. Lastly, if you are against gay marriage on moral/religious reasons, that's fine, I respect that. However, scientifically, those positions hold no water.
Especially if he's eaten any shell fish lately...
Or worked on Sunday lately, Now I'm wondering CC, since the bible clearly states he should be put to death for working on sunday, am I obligated to kill him myself or should I call the police?
More to the point that in both cases these were instances where people duly elected by the people passed state laws regarding this issue. In one case, the people of the state elected both a legislature and a governor who would go along with it. In another case they elected a legislature that would go along but a governor who would veto it. In both cases these were instances of states acting upon states rights, and elected officials passing laws rather than it being determined by the court system.
I admit, I don't know much about Washington politics...neither do you know much about New Jersey Politics. But in a general sense, its an example of states functioning in the manner they should under our constitution.
Clearly states it in the Old Testament law, which we do not live under anymore. We now live under New Testament law.
When that "baby" in the womb stands up and says "I want to live" similar to how gays stand up and say "I want to be married/adopt children", I'll consider these two issues equal.
They are a living breathing entity...They feel pain and 42 million of them have been killed since Roe V Wade was passed...I believe abortions should be illegal with the exception of the health of the mother or possibly in the case of rape and incest.............Can you imagine if we had only aborted in those cases how many babies would be alive. I have read conservative estimates at 38,000,000. Think about it CC.
They are a living breathing entity...They feel pain and 42 million of them have been killed since Roe V Wade was passed...I believe abortions should be illegal with the exception of the health of the mother or possibly in the case of rape and incest.............Can you imagine if we had only aborted in those cases how many babies would be alive. I have read conservative estimates at 38,000,000. Think about it CC.
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