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You people keep acting as if they can just up and demand payment as a form of extortion.
They can't and it would hurt China a hell of a lot more than us if we stopped buying their cheap leaded plastic trinkets and stopped shipping out grain to them.
They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.
What makes you think they can't? If we do something crazy and illegal like impounding Chinese shipping, you can be sure they will do something legal and practical like not continue buying our debt.The Chinese would suffer as well, but that is little comfort. Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.
I'm sure they can stop buying the debt, but I am also sure they can't just up and demand payment at any time for what is already bought. It doesn't work that way.
I think that if China is making aggressive moves like this, we shouldn't show any weakness in any arena, military or otherwise.
-- In the same vein, we should have sunk Iran's Navy when they grabbed up those british Sailors.
This is pointless posturing. If you get all agitated over it, it makes you look a fool who can be lead around by the nose. Refusing to be baited by pathetic insults in a sign of intelligence, not weakness. Or do you respect the macho idiots who act all tough whenever their masculinity is threatened?
The military should only be deployed for real threats, not for showmanship.
Absolutely, a simple change in U.S. trade law banning Chinese goods from any reason ranging from safety(great case could be made there) to "we just felt like it" could crush the budding Chinese manufacturing economy.Jallman has made a very good point here regarding China's realistic ability to tank our economy. They won't do it because 1.) we simply wouldn't pay, and 2.) it would tank their economy as well. Like it or not we have mutual interest in each others economies being stable. We aren't in the middle of an shaky and uncertain industrial revolution right now, they are. If they were to try and taker our economy hostage they would be doing it with a hand grenade duct taped to their face.
Jallman has made a very good point here regarding China's realistic ability to tank our economy. They won't do it because 1.) we simply wouldn't pay, and 2.) it would tank their economy as well. Like it or not we have mutual interest in each others economies being stable. We aren't in the middle of an shaky and uncertain industrial revolution right now, they are. If they were to try and taker our economy hostage they would be doing it with a hand grenade duct taped to their face.
This is just pointless posturing. The most practical thing to do is tell the Chinese to knock it off and just keep doing our usual activities.
Yeah, because pointless crap like that is worth completely obliterating our economy over.
And the Chinese response is "Thats fine. Now pay up all the debt that you owe us". Then our economy sinks likes a child actors career after puberty.
Overreacting to posturing is stupid. The U.S. and China have absolutely nothing to gain by fighting each and everything to lose. Unless China does something that is actually a threat, taking drastic action is harmful to our country.
They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.
What makes you think they can't? If we do something crazy and illegal like impounding Chinese shipping, you can be sure they will do something legal and practical like not continue buying our debt.The Chinese would suffer as well, but that is little comfort. Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.
I'd been wondering what possible reason China could have for its actions. Here's theirexcuseexplanation
Source [Reuters | China says US navy ship was breaking law-HK website]
Anybody know what laws performing surveilance in international waters violates?
Absolutely, a simple change in U.S. trade law banning Chinese goods from any reason ranging from safety(great case could be made there) to "we just felt like it" could crush the budding Chinese manufacturing economy.
VOIDWAR posted(In the same vein, we should have sunk Iran's Navy when they grabbed up those british Sailors.)
I see that you continue to follow just the headlines.
A great pity, because had you bothered to follow up with this story you might have read where the British Government admitted that they posted an incorrect GPS reading of where the British craft was.
In fact it transpired that they WERE actually within Iranian waters when they were apprehended.
I disagree with this "honoring".
I am not happy with that pilot.
That pilot delivered that plane and those personnel into enemy hands when he should have just ditched into the sea, you know, that big blue thing beneath him that the U.S. Navy OWNS. He took directives from a foreign government, and delivered U.S. property to them. He should have put the plane in the drink, where any idiot know the U.S. navy will win the rescue race.
Voidwar is right though...we should have locked down every Chinese vessel in our ports the minute they took that aggressive stance with the plane. "Sure, China, you can have that plane. But all these vessels and the goods they were carrying now belong to the US government. We advise you to not enter our airspace or shipping lanes again."
Yeah, because pointless crap like that is worth completely obliterating our economy over.
And the Chinese response is "Thats fine. Now pay up all the debt that you owe us". Then our economy sinks likes a child actors career after puberty.
They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.
Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.
Imagine this same scenario but on the U.S. coast, and with a Chinese ship. Even if it were just outside of the U.S. boundary, it would be considered noticable.
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