Chicago's Black Ghetto

Ray410 · Sep 17, 2013

MaggieD said:
No one knows what happened except Zimmerman. I'm still of the opinion that Martin probably did backtrack and face Zimmerman. When Zimmerman reached for his cell phone (as he told police), I think Martin may have thought he was reaching for a weapon and attacked in what he perceived was self-defense. Then, of course, things went horribly sideways. Once you believe you are fighting for your life, you don't stop until the threat is neutralized. This incident was the perfect storm.

I don't believe Trayvon Martin was a bad kid. He was a typical teenager. Some truancy, minor theft, suspensions. No big deal. This kid wasn't a gang banger. He just wasn't.

I'll bet the bus driver Martin attacked thought it was a big deal.

I don't think anyone, in the entire 135 posts in this thread, has even remotely suggested that Martin might have been a gang banger so there really isn't much point in passionately objecting to that.

I haven't seen too many typical teenagers drag someone that is screaming for help over to a concrete walk and try to kill him by smashing his skull into it.

Thankfully, there is NO option in our jury system of stating "We cannot know what happened because we were not there." If there were, nothing would ever be resolved. There must be conclusions and there must be judgments. In this case the conclusion was that a reasonable person in Zman's position would have been in fear for his life. That is what was proven by the defense.

Also thankfully, emotional concern for the beloved perpetrator while completely ignoring an injured victim is being eradicated from our system.

MaggieD · Sep 17, 2013

Ray410 said:
I don't think anyone, in the entire 135 posts in this thread, has even remotely suggested that Martin might have been a gang banger so there really isn't much point in passionately objecting to that. I haven't seen too many typical teenagers drag someone over to a concrete walk and try to kill him by smashing his skull into it. In our jury system, one must come to a conclusion on what happened, beyond a reasonable doubt, that is what they did and what a majority of Americans did. Thankfully there is no option of "We have no way of knowing what happened because we weren't there." "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means just that.

So what you're saying is that my post is useless?

If you go around pointing that out on DP, you must be kept very busy.

ABC10 · Sep 17, 2013

Mason66 said:
You had better get familial with the facts of the case.

Youseem to be ignorant of what happened prior to Martin attacking Zimmerman.

Who is not familiar with the facts of this settled case where a jury found George Not Guilty of the charges filed by the State of Florida. Maybe you hadda be there. On to a more fun note is Dr. Bao suing the State of Florida ME, Bernie and Ms. Angela and to add to the crowd SPD. Now this is a trial I am really looking forward too as the great Willie Gray gets them on the stand while we Zimmerman supporters sit back, watch and laugh.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

Mason66 said:
You had better get familial with the facts of the case.

You seem to be ignorant of what happened prior to Martin attacking Zimmerman.

He was talking on the phone.

BTW: ther eis no proof that "Martin attacked Zimmerman". There is only reasonable doubt that Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in cold blood. Big difference.

I think it's you, my friend, who lacks the facts of the case. Here's a fact sheet

Trayvon Martin Shooting Fast Facts - CNN.com

OscarB63 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
He was talking on the phone.

BTW: ther eis no proof that "Martin attacked Zimmerman". There is only reasonable doubt that Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in cold blood. Big difference.

wrongo, boyo.

there is no proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman
there is no proof that Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood.

no difference. no proof = no proof

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

OscarB63 said:
1. wrongo, boyo.

2. there is no proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman
there is no proof that Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood.

no difference. no proof = no proof

1. Actually that Martin was on the phone is indisputable. So, you need to brush up on facts.
2. You're the one arguing that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

OscarB63 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
1. Actually that Martin was on the phone is indisputable. So, you need to brush up on facts.

irrelevent. has nothing to do with proving whether or not Martin attacked Zimmerman.

2. You're the one arguing that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

nope....

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

ocean515 said:
I understand how precious your hyperbole is to you, however, could you explain the location of Cabrini-Green in Chicago.

It, and the location of dozens and dozens of other housing developments across the United States vaporize your trolling memes, to I'm curious how you explain their existence, or perhaps more interesting, how you ignore them.

Cabrini Green is gone. It like the Robert Taylor Homes has been torn down. Bad policy is being revised and future HUD homes are no longer following the crime ridden, segregated high rise model but rather use the mixed-income, scattered housing approach.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

OscarB63 said:
1. irrelevent. has nothing to do with proving whether or not Martin attacked Zimmerman.

2.nope....

1. Answered your question (shown below)
2. Yep (see below)

Mason66 said:
You had better get familial with the facts of the case.

Youseem to be ignorant of what happened prior to Martin attacking Zimmerman.

You seem to forget what you wrote only a few hours ago.

OscarB63 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
1. Answered your question (shown below)

no you didn't. I was not talking to Mason66. I was commenting solely on your BS claim that there was a big difference between proving Martin attacked Zimmerman and proving that Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood.

the fact that Martin was on the phone at some point prior to the incident is irrelevent because it does not prove one way or the other who attacked whom.

You seem to forget what you wrote only a few hours ago.

you seem to be confused as to who you are talking to. the only thing "I" wrote (hint: my username is oscarb63 and not mason66) a few hours ago is a rebuttal of the claim that Martin was killed by someone he lived around.-

Mason66 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
He was talking on the phone.

BTW: ther eis no proof that "Martin attacked Zimmerman". There is only reasonable doubt that Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in cold blood. Big difference.

I think it's you, my friend, who lacks the facts of the case. Here's a fact sheet

Trayvon Martin Shooting Fast Facts - CNN.com

I don't need a fact sheet.

I watched the trial. Obviously you didn't.

Please go back and refresh your mempory with the facts of the case before you post about it again.

Mason66 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
1. Answered your question (shown below)
2. Yep (see below)

You seem to forget what you wrote only a few hours ago.

Yes Martin was talking on the phone. He was also looking in the Windows of the houses he was passing, on their property, not on the sidewalk which is what called Zimmermans attention.

It was all testified to at trial.

Why do I have to refresh your memory? You can look for the facts yourself.

ocean515 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
Cabrini Green is gone. It like the Robert Taylor Homes has been torn down. Bad policy is being revised and future HUD homes are no longer following the crime ridden, segregated high rise model but rather use the mixed-income, scattered housing approach.

The question was, where was Cabrini Green located, not what happened to it. I note you're avoiding the question.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

Mason66 said:
Yes Martin was talking on the phone. He was also looking in the Windows of the houses he was passing, on their property, not on the sidewalk which is what called Zimmermans attention.

It was all testified to at trial.

Why do I have to refresh your memory? You can look for the facts yourself.

Wrong black man. Like most Zimmerman defenders, you have your facts screwed up.

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burgled. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background_of_the_shooting

On the evening of February 26, 2012, Zimmerman observed Martin ...At approximately 7:09 PM,[Note 5] Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community.[67] Zimmerman stated, "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy."[3] He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something."[68] Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

Martin was not peering into windows. But, thanks for making my point.

Your comments are about as credible as those coming from Moe, Larry and Curly.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

OscarB63 said:
no you didn't. I was not talking to Mason66. I was commenting solely on your BS claim that there was a big difference between proving Martin attacked Zimmerman and proving that Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood.

the fact that Martin was on the phone at some point prior to the incident is irrelevent because it does not prove one way or the other who attacked whom.

you seem to be confused as to who you are talking to. the only thing "I" wrote (hint: my username is oscarb63 and not mason66) a few hours ago is a rebuttal of the claim that Martin was killed by someone he lived around.-

Uh, refeshing your memory--
You asked what was Martin doing before he attacked Zimmerman.

I said, we don't know that he did attack Zimmerman.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

Mason66 said:
I don't need a fact sheet.

I watched the trial. Obviously you didn't.

Please go back and refresh your mempory with the facts of the case before you post about it again.

You must have been napping during much of that trial because your concept of "the facts" sucks. Grandmas with Alzheimer's have a better recollection of the proceedings than you seem to, judging by the many factual errors you have already stated.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

ocean515 said:
The question was, where was Cabrini Green located, not what happened to it. I note you're avoiding the question.

It was on the Near North Side and was originally built for Italian Immigrants. What's your point?

ocean515 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
It was on the Near North Side and was originally built for Italian Immigrants. What's your point?

Like dozens and dozens of similar developments across the country, they were not located in a manner that supports your meme.

Thus, your meme is meaningless, as others have pointed out.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

ocean515 said:
Like dozens and dozens of similar developments across the country, they were not located in a manner that supports your meme.

Thus, your meme is meaningless, as others have pointed out.

By the time C-B was torn down in was over 99% Black. When it was built it was 99% Italian. Blacks were bottled up in the South Side during the 20's. I never said they were kept there throughout the ages :roll:

Blacks were however usually not integrated into the white communities. For the most part, they still aren't.

ocean515 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
By the time C-B was torn down in was over 99% Black. When it was built it was 99% Italian. Blacks were bottled up in the South Side during the 20's. I never said they were kept there throughout the ages :roll:

Blacks were however usually not integrated into the white communities. For the most part, they still aren't.

Again, not true. And by your own words you admit this fact.

Sorry, but's it real difficult to scramble when you've greased your own floor.

calamity · Sep 17, 2013

ocean515 said:
Again, not true. And by your own words you admit this fact.

Sorry, but's it real difficult to scramble when you've greased your own floor.

Yeah...Blacks and whites live together in peace and harmony all over the country. Silly me. :roll:

Goshin · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
The Black Ghetto on the Southside of Chicago has been a White man created and enforced segregated community since the 1920's.

But I thought only Southerners were racist. :lamo

Goshin · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
Yeah...Blacks and whites live together in peace and harmony all over the country. Silly me. :roll:

Oddly enough we get along pretty good here in SC, working and often living side by side.

ocean515 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
Yeah...Blacks and whites live together in peace and harmony all over the country. Silly me. :roll:

Congratulations, you've finally posted something completely factual. :applaud

Mason66 · Sep 17, 2013

calamity said:
Wrong black man. Like most Zimmerman defenders, you have your facts screwed up.

Martin was not peering into windows. But, thanks for making my point.

Your comments are about as credible as those coming from Moe, Larry and Curly.

Ignore the facts if you wish.

Read the transcripts from the trial, not somebody elses recount of the facts.

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