Chicago’s mayor-elect warns against ‘demonizing’ rampaging teens after unrest

[Chomsky]

Send them for a month of Marine boot camp. That'll help them burn off some of that destructive energy. And it just might...just might make responsible, law-abiding younglings out of some of them.

Exactly.

Even just an overnight stay in a lock-up, then release in the morning. That's how it used to be in the sixties demonstrations. You got detained overnight to cool yourself and the situation down, then let go in the morning - usually without charges. That way there's no arrest record.

For repeats, I could see some form of diversion or suspended sentence, which again will not leave a record.

 

[Threegoofs]

Exactly.

Even just an overnight stay in a lock-up, then release in the morning. That's how it used to be in the sixties demonstrations. You got detained overnight to cool yourself and the situation down, then let go in the morning - usually without charges. That way there's no arrest record.

For repeats, I could see some form of diversion or suspended sentence, which again will not leave a record.

These kids are 14 and 15. Not sure overnight lockup is a great idea.

 

[Chomsky]

There were 300 extra cops downtown this weekend. You couldn’t go a block without seeing a squad.

Sad it has to be that way, but if that's what it takes for now. Obviously, it's not a workable long-term solution.

Do you remember or know how it was done in Chicago during the sixties? For demonstrations that got out of hand? The cops detained the wilder ones, keeping them in lock-up overnight. Then, most were let go in the norming without charges.

The situation got diffused, the kids got some time to think it through, and they left the station without a record.

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Edit: From my reply to you earlier above, I think parental pick-up at the station for the really young ones would work. That's the way iy used to be done back in the neighborhoods with younger kids.

Also, in the lock-up they segregate the detainees by cells. They'll put the kids in their own cell together, away from the other detainees. They don't mix you. That way the kids will be safe, but they'll get a taste of incarceration. I'm speaking of local precinct lock-ups here, not 26th & Cal, just so you know.

In fact when I was a kid the neighborhood cops used to take the kids (early teen boys) down to the local precinct to "see the jail". They'd do this on a Saturday morning, letting you as a group go into an isolated cell at the end of the bloc, closing the cell door behind you so you could "see how it felt". Then, they'd pretend the guy with the keys left for the weekend, and wouldn't be back until Monday! After maybe 20 minutes, they come back and asked you "how it feels", and "wouldn't it be a good thing to stay out of jail"? The idea being, of course, the young boys would learn a lesson not to turn to crime.

In my cops & firemen blue-collar neighborhood, the above visit to the local cop-shop was a childhood rite of passage for the neighborhood boys! No idea if it's still done.

 

[Chomsky]

These kids are 14 and 15. Not sure overnight lockup is a great idea.

Regardless, even if only for subsequent parental pick-up, a trip down to the station might do them a world of good. That's how it was done when I was a kid, and it was pretty effective.

 

[eohrnberger]

Send them for a month of Marine boot camp. That'll help them burn off some of that destructive energy. And it just might...just might make responsible, law-abiding younglings out of some of them.

Having not received the needed discipline from their parents, apparently, someone doing so, even if it ends up being society, surely has to.

 

[eohrnberger]

Exactly.

Even just an overnight stay in a lock-up, then release in the morning. That's how it used to be in the sixties demonstrations. You got detained overnight to cool yourself and the situation down, then let go in the morning - usually without charges. That way there's no arrest record.

For repeats, I could see some form of diversion or suspended sentence, which again will not leave a record.

Without an arrest record, how would the court or LEO know if the person was a repeat offender?
Some sort of minimal record of the arrest need be maintained.

 

[Threegoofs]

Regardless, even if only for subsequent parental pick-up, a trip down to the station might do them a world of good. That's how it was done when I was a kid, and it was pretty effective.

That I agree with.

Not sure it doesn’t happen though.

I remember a friend getting hauled off in the wee hours for peeing off an El platform. The cops sarcastically kept calling him ‘Mr. Naperville’. I don’t doubt they’d still do it today.

 

[Chomsky]

Send them for a month of Marine boot camp. That'll help them burn off some of that destructive energy. And it just might...just might make responsible, law-abiding younglings out of some of them.

Having not received the needed discipline from their parents, apparently, someone doing so, even if it ends up being society, surely has to.

Hell, back in the day for guys in their early teens "boot camp" meant cutting a deal to go to 'Nam rather than take a felony hit!

 

[Chomsky]

That I agree with.

Not sure it doesn’t happen though.

I remember a friend getting hauled off in the wee hours for peeing off an El platform. The cops sarcastically kept calling him ‘Mr. Naperville’. I don’t doubt they’d still do it today.

In the city going down to the station to get picked-up by your parents was not an unusual thing for kids. At least during my time and in my neighborhood. It wasn't unusual for the cops to bring you home, too. Being brought home was more common.

In fact, whether you got brought home, or to the station, was a pretty good barometer of how serious your errant deed was. To the station meant more serious, and more inconvenience to your parents - therefore the belief your parents would be more upset and take your transgression more seriously!

 

[eohrnberger]

Hell, back in the day for guys in their early teens "boot camp" meant cutting a deal to go to 'Nam rather than take a felony hit!

True, I remember that. Not so sure if that ended up turning out to be good idea.

 

[Chomsky]

Without an arrest record, how would the court or LEO know if the person was a repeat offender?
Some sort of minimal record of the arrest need be maintained.

That's a good point. In Chicago, there's 48 hour hold. After that, they must charge you or let you go. So the vast majority of the demonstrating college kids were simply let go in the morning. The more serious violators were charged. AFAIK, all had their records run looking for warrants or previous arrests.

More than that, I really don't know. But it seems like a fair way to diffuse the situation.

 

[Chomsky]

True, I remember that. Not so sure if that ended up turning out to be good idea.

I heard of several guys doing this, including one I knew but wasn't tight with.

This was done by young guys that had a relatively clean record, but had gotten into mid-level serious trouble. The guy I knew was caught in a stolen car. His lawyer got him signed-up at the recruiting office, then cut a deal with the prosecutor & judge to let him go off and serve. The idea being you cannot serve if the judge convicts you of a felony. The Army needs to see a clean record.

It was considered a win-win for everyone, but the prosecutor. The guy gets off, and the judge sees the chance for an otherwise clean-record young man to get some self-discipline and maturity at the hands of Uncle Sam, and have a shot at becoming a productive member of society - while also serving his country.

In fact in the case I'm familiar, from the way it was explained I believe the deal was with the judge. The prosecutor - of course - wants the conviction!

But this was common enough back then I think, as I've heard of several other instances second-hand. Often involving stolen cars.

I never heard any more of how it turned-out for the guy I knew in the old neighborhood. I never heard of him after that.

 

[eohrnberger]

That's a good point. In Chicago, there's 48 hour hold. After that, they must charge you or let you go. So the vast majority of the demonstrating college kids were simply let go in the morning.

I'm perfectly good with that, just take'em out of rioting for the evening, let them sit and stew for the night in a cell and think about it, a warning that on their way out in the morning that next time, it'll be criminal charges (but the DA's gonna have to support this).

The more serious violators were charged. AFAIK, all had their records run looking for warrants or previous arrests.

More than that, I really don't know.

But it seems like a fair way to diffuse the situation.

Exactly.

 

[JRTurner]

Sorry but you are wrong if you refuse to answer all hospitals can refuse you treatment.

That's silly. A hospital will not let a woman give birth in the waiting room because she chose not to answer what ethnicity she is on a form. I'd like to see evidence of that.

 

[rhinefire]

That's silly. A hospital will not let a woman give birth in the waiting room because she chose not to answer what ethnicity she is on a form. I'd like to see evidence of that.

Boy, you really misfired on that one!! Can you read?!

 

[rhinefire]

Boy, you really misfired on that one!! Can you read?! R-E-A-C-H

 

[JRTurner]

Boy, you really misfired on that one!! Can you read?!

Do you have proof a hospital will deny treatment if you don't check which ethnicity you are on a form?