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emdash said:
no, states have their own policies, like the mandatory sonogram, parental notification, etc. that limit circumstances under which women and girls can have abortions.
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Not for long. ;)
 
Slippery Slope said:
I've never heard this argument so who is putting forth this argument?
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Pregnant and frightened - The Boston Globe
It is hard to see how forcing a frightened 15-year-old to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term will improve the life of the teen or her child. Unsurprisingly, teen mothers are far more likely to be unmarried, to drop out of school, and to live in poverty than women who delay pregnancy. Their babies suffer higher infant mortality rates. The children born of teenagers are themselves more likely to become pregnant too young, with all the related social problems. Proponents claim to care about traumatized girls being pressured into having abortions, but this bill would press them into lives of poverty and despair.

"Wrongful Birth" Lawsuit Nets $21M, Florida Couple Wins Claim Against Doctor Over Misdiagnosis Of Birth Defect In Second Child - CBS News

And…Planned Parenthood’s famous slogan “Every child, a wanted child” implies that an “unwanted child is better never to be born—so abortion would “solve” that "problem."
 
Slippery Slope said:
Maybe you misunderstand how this type of forum works. If you posit a position and are challenged, the responsibility rests on YOU not on the person challenging. If you say, here is my opinion and are questioned, you might say go read this guy but I can say, no, you either quote this guy or explain your opinion on your own. You don't get to call the challenger lazy because you are too lazy to back up your own assertion.
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I did back up my statements. I provided a link that cited actual actions taken by Obama. It's not my fault you didn't feel like reading it. I also provided quotes stated by Obama showing his extremely liberal viewpoints on abortion.

I said PROBABLY. And yes, that is an opinion. The opinion is based on the fact that he not only aggressively pursues the whole pro abortion issue but also wants to put money towards it. If he was truly "neutral," he would just legalize abortion as another service to be offered by hospitals and have done with it.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Do you have that statistic available? Knowing that driving is dangerous and considering the possibility that you might kill someone or yourself every time you get in the car is very different. In fact, I got in the car today to go to the plumbing store and didn't stop to consider that there is a chance I will be killed or kill someone while driving. If you contemplate this every time you get in your car I think you would find yourself in a very small minority.
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Again I will say:

So becuase you didn't THINK about the possibility of getting in a car accident it therefore nixes the possibility of one occurring?

I like your logic. It would certainly make things a lot easier. Let's see... if I don't think about getting sick, I'll never get a cold ever again! That'll save me a fortune in doctor's bills. Oh and I don't really want to think about getting dementia when I'm older. I hear that's not fun to deal with.
 
emdash said:
I am aware that you were not advocating abortion for that purpose alone. I was trying to say that the statement you made ["if a child is going to be born into an abusive situation and end up hurting others and spending the majority of it's life in jail, yeah, they'd have been better off not being born in the first place."] is the kind of sentiment this ad targeted.

I'm not sure what kind of proof you're looking for. I just quoted you sympathizing with that sentiment, as I have known many pro-choice individuals to do; what more do you need? a quote from a pro-choice organization? what is the point of asking for that?
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Maybe we just misunderstand each other. My comment would be similar to - a guy was crippled in a car wreck, he would have been better off not driving. -
It was commentary after the fact, not before the fact.
 
Felicity said:
Pregnant and frightened - The Boston Globe
It is hard to see how forcing a frightened 15-year-old to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term will improve the life of the teen or her child. Unsurprisingly, teen mothers are far more likely to be unmarried, to drop out of school, and to live in poverty than women who delay pregnancy. Their babies suffer higher infant mortality rates. The children born of teenagers are themselves more likely to become pregnant too young, with all the related social problems. Proponents claim to care about traumatized girls being pressured into having abortions, but this bill would press them into lives of poverty and despair.
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That's about the mother not the unborn child.

"Wrongful Birth" Lawsuit Nets $21M, Florida Couple Wins Claim Against Doctor Over Misdiagnosis Of Birth Defect In Second Child - CBS News
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And your point is what? Sounds quite similar to - ma'am, 3 of your 4 tires need to be replaced because of a defect but your rear left tire doesn't need replacement - then the rear left tire blows out crippling the woman.

And…Planned Parenthood’s famous slogan “Every child, a wanted child” implies that an “unwanted child is better never to be born—so abortion would “solve” that "problem."
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Yeah and? If the parents don't want a baby that would make it unwanted. Isn't it better if every child born was born on purpose instead of by accident to people unready/unwilling/unable to care for it?
 
DGomez said:
Again I will say:

So becuase you didn't THINK about the possibility of getting in a car accident it therefore nixes the possibility of one occurring?

I like your logic. It would certainly make things a lot easier. Let's see... if I don't think about getting sick, I'll never get a cold ever again! That'll save me a fortune in doctor's bills. Oh and I don't really want to think about getting dementia when I'm older. I hear that's not fun to deal with.
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It's not my logic, it's the reality of life. You are however leaving out the key word "faith". You're misrepresenting my words, I never said that not thinking about it means it won't happen. You really should try to portray someone else as being stupid just because you either don't understand or don't want to understand. It just makes you look...
 
Slippery Slope said:
Yeah and? If the parents don't want a baby that would make it unwanted. Isn't it better if every child born was born on purpose instead of by accident to people unready/unwilling/unable to care for it?
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so unwanted children are better off not being born? I think we understand each other.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Well, you understand my view at least, I guess.
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and CatholicVote wants you to consider that unwanted babies might grow up to find a rough childhood worth the trouble. you look at a kid in a broken home and think, man, it would have been better for him if he hadn't been born into that crazy alcoholic family. but I look at a kid in a broken home and I think of all the people who have risen above much worse to be truly great, and I wonder how anyone thinks they have the right to decide if that kid's life is worth living or not. if he ends up hating life so much that he wishes he were dead, he can commit suicide I guess. but most people don't. what does that tell you?
 
Slippery Slope said:
It's not my logic, it's the reality of life. You are however leaving out the key word "faith". You're misrepresenting my words, I never said that not thinking about it means it won't happen. You really should try to portray someone else as being stupid just because you either don't understand or don't want to understand. It just makes you look...
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I'm not misrepresenting anything. Go back and reread what you wrote. I said that to ignore the possible biological outcome of sex is naive. I said it's like driving a car and ignoring the possibility that you could get in a car wreck. You can't ignore highly probable outcomes.

YOU said that mine is not a valid argument becuase most people don't THINK about getting in a car wreck every time they get in a car.

Firstly, your "argument" is completely irrelevant. Secondly, do you have sources to back up your statement?
 
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