Charges of Racism

[jamesrodom]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

 

[Port & Starboard]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

Boston & NYC are two of the most liberal cities in the USA and and are still deeply segregated.

There are many many other liberal cities that are deeply segregated.

Do a little research before you open your pie hole again about racists being primarily conservatives.

These Maps Show Just How Segregated New York City Really Is | HuffPost

Boston’s schools are becoming resegregated - The Boston Globe

Why Your Neighborhood is Still Segregated, After All These Years - Carroll School of Management - Boston College

Spotlight journalists illuminate Boston’s unique racial disparities | PBS NewsHour

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Boston & NYC are two of the most liberal cities in the USA and and are still deeply segregated.

There are many many other liberal cities that are deeply segregated.

Do a little research before you open your pie hole again about racists being primarily conservatives.

These Maps Show Just How Segregated New York City Really Is | HuffPost

Boston’s schools are becoming resegregated - The Boston Globe

Why Your Neighborhood is Still Segregated, After All These Years - Carroll School of Management - Boston College

Spotlight journalists illuminate Boston’s unique racial disparities | PBS NewsHour

That whoosing is the point flying over your head, I think.

 

[ludin]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

There are more blacks killed by other blacks than white officers.

This is a fact. This is based on fbi statistics. But it is just easier to blame the white guy.

The black community needs new leaders instead of the ones they have.

 

[ludin]

That whoosing is the point flying over your head, I think.

No just that facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

No just that facts don't care about your feelings.

Yeah, you missed the point too.

 

[Cramer]

Boston & NYC are two of the most liberal cities in the USA and and are still deeply segregated.

There are many many other liberal cities that are deeply segregated.

Do a little research before you open your pie hole again about racists being primarily conservatives.

These Maps Show Just How Segregated New York City Really Is | HuffPost

Boston’s schools are becoming resegregated - The Boston Globe

Why Your Neighborhood is Still Segregated, After All These Years - Carroll School of Management - Boston College

Spotlight journalists illuminate Boston’s unique racial disparities | PBS NewsHour

Racism exists.

Some institutional racism still exists.

Liberals, are from perfect, and many time makes things worse.

So let's just start there.

Do you believe, generally speaking, black and white have the same opportunities and disadvantages?

 

[Port & Starboard]

That whoosing is the point flying over your head, I think.

It didn't go over my head at all.


OP's words:

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!"

Nor many conservatives in them thar places.

 

[Simpletruther]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

The stats when considered rightly do not much support this idea of blacks being targeted.

Statistically cops seems to be doing a fair job by and large.

This is a case of selection bias on what constitutes racist cop actions. And the selected examples get massive publicity while a white on black just like it would get ignored. Thus creates a false pucture.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

It didn't go over my head at all.


OP's words:

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!"

Nor many conservatives in them thar places.

Actually, there are millions of Conservatives in New York and Boston.

But you're still missing the point.

 

[Simpletruther]

Racism exists.

Some institutional racism still exists.

Liberals, are from perfect, and many time makes things worse.

So let's just start there.

Do you believe, generally speaking, black and white have the same opportunities and disadvantages?

If you conpare apples to apples (poor whites with poor blakcs, or married whites with married blacks) most if the perceived differences disappoear. The vast majority of problems today are related to poverty and social cultural isssues. Race is a very small factor in explaining current outcomes.

The racism narrative sadly is mostly identity politics if division.

 

[D_NATURED]

We need to define terms or we'll never agree. Racism, as I see it, is institutional bigotry. So, when retired navy guy showed examples of that very thing, he did miss the point. We need to stop using the word "racist", however, to describe individual distaste for those of another skin color. I don't believe that white people are any more bigoted than any other group and that constant accusation is insulting to evolved people who happen to be white.

That being said, the GOP is more racist than they admit as it is they who take their bigotry into the voting booth and, more than others, support America's most racist policies, like how education funding works, the wall hysteria and immigration policy for brown people, in general.

 

[Cramer]

If you conpare apples to apples (poor whites with poor blakcs, or married whites with married blacks) most if the perceived differences disappoear. The vast majority of problems today are related to poverty and social cultural isssues. Race is a very small factor in explaining current outcomes.

The racism narrative sadly is mostly identity politics if division.

That sounds ok..
But do you have any data to back it up?

Here..let me help.

A new study conducted by researchers at Stanford, Harvard and the Census Bureau, finds that in 99 percent of neighborhoods in the United States, black boys earn less in adulthood than white boys who come from similar socioeconomic backgrounds. This undermines the widely-held belief that class, not race, is the most fundamental predictor of economic outcomes for children in the U.S.

Forget Wealth And Neighborhood. The Racial Income Gap Persists : Code Switch : NPR

Also, regarding disadvantages, blacks are targeted much more often with subtle, and sometimes, not so subtle racism much more than whites.

Is that something to consider as well?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Racism exists.

Some institutional racism still exists.

Liberals, are from perfect, and many time makes things worse.

So let's just start there.

Do you believe, generally speaking, black and white have the same opportunities and disadvantages?

Institutional racism is a liberal buzz word that has been diluted almost to the point of being meaningless.

The opinion piece that I linked below nails down the weak ass liberal argument.

Systemic racism is so rare in America, the media just can't stop lying about it | TheHill

 

[Cramer]

Institutional racism is a liberal buzz word that has been diluted almost to the point of being meaningless.

The opinion piece that I linked below nails down the weak ass liberal argument.

Systemic racism is so rare in America, the media just can't stop lying about it | TheHill

Sherriff Clark?

I prefer actual journalists.

Here is a story, you probably will not read...as it may challenge your own biases.

A 3-year Newsday investigation found Long Island real-estate agents' widespread unequal treatment against Hispanic, Asian, and black homebuyers, Business Insider - Business Insider Singapore

 

[Port & Starboard]

Sherriff Clark?

I prefer actual journalists.

Here is a story, you probably will not read...as it may challenge your own biases.

A 3-year Newsday investigation found Long Island real-estate agents' widespread unequal treatment against Hispanic, Asian, and black homebuyers, Business Insider - Business Insider Singapore

I love it when they use the word "investigation". Especially when the articles are actually out takes from other articles that were opinions to begin with, and usually generated by a few complainers. Long Island was 84% white not very long ago and it is now 60% white, which fits right into the current demographics of the USA.

There must be some minorities buying housing on the island some wheres.

 

[Cramer]

I love it when they use the word "investigation". Especially when the articles are actually out takes from other articles that were opinions to begin with, and usually generated by a few complainers. Long Island was 84% white not very long ago and it is now 60% white, which fits right into the current demographics of the USA.

There must be some minorities buying housing on the island some wheres.

All you had to do was click on the highlighted link, and you would have seen it was a 3 year investigation.

Undercover investigation reveals evidence of unequal treatment by Long Island real estate agents


Or, you can just listen to partisans to tell you what you want to hear.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Port & Starboard]

All you had to do was click on the highlighted link, and you would have seen it was a 3 year investigation.

Undercover investigation reveals evidence of unequal treatment by Long Island real estate agents


Or, you can just listen to partisans to tell you what you want to hear.

Ignorance is bliss.

I can go supposedly undercover too. Anyone can.

Your supposedly fact based article is nothing but a victim agenda.

Long Island is 60% white........just like the rest of the USA combined.

 

[Casca XV]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

When you attach racist motives on to things that are not about race, you are the racist.

 

[Paradoxical]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

There is no question that there are some racist cops and that some of them beat up and kill black people. Those are just a handful of people. I get sick and tired of people extending that to police as a whole and then to America as a whole. It is just an excuse for those blacks who don't pay the fare to excuse themselves for not having what those who paid the price do. What is worse is for a white person to apologize for being white, like the Democratic candidates are doing. It fosters more racism and resentment.

 

[Paradoxical]

I love it when they use the word "investigation". Especially when the articles are actually out takes from other articles that were opinions to begin with, and usually generated by a few complainers. Long Island was 84% white not very long ago and it is now 60% white, which fits right into the current demographics of the USA.

There must be some minorities buying housing on the island some wheres.

I don't put much stock in what Business Insider writes. Their name is deceiving. They are staffed with a bunch of left leaning people.

 

[ocean515]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

Oh boy. More overt racism being expressed by liberals claiming others are racist.

It never ends.

 

[Cramer]

There is no question that there are some racist cops and that some of them beat up and kill black people. Those are just a handful of people. I get sick and tired of people extending that to police as a whole and then to America as a whole. It is just an excuse for those blacks who don't pay the fare to excuse themselves for not having what those who paid the price do. What is worse is for a white person to apologize for being white, like the Democratic candidates are doing. It fosters more racism and resentment.

Acknowledging white, male privilege exists, is not apologizing for being white.

It is stating facts.

Regarding police...they have become militarized for the last 20 years or so. And some, are out of control.

 

[Cramer]

I don't put much stock in what Business Insider writes. Their name is deceiving. They are staffed with a bunch of left leaning people.

If you had looked a bit further, it was Newsday.

Reality does tend to have a liberal bias.

Undercover investigation reveals evidence of unequal treatment by Long Island real estate agents

 

[Condor060]

I'm an example of a liberal who agrees that, yes, sometimes today liberals DO overplay the "race card". Not nearly as often as conservative underplay it, mind you. But what sometimes gets attributed to racism does not, in my opinion, meet that threshold.

There IS still racism in the country today; far more, in fact, that I would have thought even ten or fifteen years ago. But much more so, there is ignorance and insensitivity on the part of white people as to the whole experience of being black in America, and all of the assorted indignities that go along with that. But in order to qualify as 'racist', I think there needs to be actual malevolent intent.....or a conscious belief in the inferiority of one race when compared to others.

A typical conservative response to the group "Black Lives Matter" is to say in all earnestness: "But ALL lives matter!" While undoubtedly true, this response is ignorant of the reason a group like Black Lives Matter formed to begin with: because of a sense in certain communities where you had brutal treatment of predominantly black residents by predominantly white law enforcement officers......well, maybe black lives DIDN'T matter.

The only people keeping racism alive are the actual racist. And before you decide to come to the aid of BLM, maybe you should think back to to the five cops assassinated in Texas, Baton Rouge officer shot, or BLM chanting for dead cops.