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If your church is "broken" by protecting its sexual abuse victims, then maybe you shouldn't have a church.
If your church is "broken" by protecting its sexual abuse victims, then maybe you shouldn't have a church.
From NBC News
Catholic cardinal says any new NY law for abuse victims should avoid 'breaking' the church
With the New York state Legislature expected to take up a bill that could enable more victims of sex abuse by priests to sue, Cardinal Timothy Dolan is calling for a measure that avoids "breaking" the Roman Catholic Church.
Dolan, who as archbishop of New York leads more than 2 million Catholics, says he is in favor of a proposed “Child Victims Act” but that such a bill should focus on helping victims.
"The emphasis must be on helping them heal, not breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations and institutions," Dolan wrote in a op-ed Tuesday in The Daily News.
To achieve this, the cardinal said the bill should be modeled on an independent program run by the archdiocese of New York and four other dioceses in the state that has already paid over $200 million in compensation to more than 1,000 people.
COMMENT:-
Gosh, requiring the RCC Inc. to actually pay the appropriate amount of damages as awarded by the courts is something that the RCC Inc. approves of provided that it doesn't actually harm the financial viability of the RCC Inc.
So tell me something new?
Describing legislation that will assist victims of sexual abuse by decades of Catholic priests as being legislation that is aimed at "breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations" is one of the finest combinations of emotionally laden sophistry and semantic bunk that I have seen in years.
If the RCC Inc. would actually come clean about the number of reported incidents, the names of the alleged abusers, and what actual steps the RCC Inc. did to PREVENT similar instances from happening again (as well as what steps the RCC Inc. took to cover up those instances) I might be somewhat more inclined to cut it some slack.
It isn't, so I'm not.
What is your definition of “coming clean” i guarantee you nothing the Church does will ever be seen as good enough to have “come clean”.
Most of these are cases dating back decades ago, representing very small numbers of the priesthood and the church has already addressed the causes of the abuse, until the 1990s sending someone out of town was a common technique of all organizations. We shouldn’t be bankrupting organizations with decades old allegations for which in many cases the alleged abusers aren’t even alive anymore
So, the rich and powerful should always be able to avoid responsibility/restitution on the grounds that it will cost the rich and powerful so much that they won't be rich and powerful anymore (which appears to be your point) right?
No. I’m saying states shouldn’t be amending civil statutes of limitations, nor should restitution mean bankrupting long standing institutions, especially since the institution in question has taken these seriously and made substantial reforms to prevent these things from happening again, and most claims date back to long ago where no one can prove they didn’t happen
And who are you really holding accountable? For most of the abusers they won’t lose anything. Most claims are not provable, so if it’s civil juries awards it will be regular parishioners who lose, and not anyone individual responsible.
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OK, I'll accept that your position is that no one should ever go to jail for robbing a bank as long as they promise not to rob any more banks in the future - which is (essentially) what your position is.
PS - Regardless of the size of the judgment, the parishioners wouldn't be on the hook for a dime of it.
From NBC News
Catholic cardinal says any new NY law for abuse victims should avoid 'breaking' the church
With the New York state Legislature expected to take up a bill that could enable more victims of sex abuse by priests to sue, Cardinal Timothy Dolan is calling for a measure that avoids "breaking" the Roman Catholic Church.
Dolan, who as archbishop of New York leads more than 2 million Catholics, says he is in favor of a proposed “Child Victims Act” but that such a bill should focus on helping victims.
"The emphasis must be on helping them heal, not breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations and institutions," Dolan wrote in a op-ed Tuesday in The Daily News.
To achieve this, the cardinal said the bill should be modeled on an independent program run by the archdiocese of New York and four other dioceses in the state that has already paid over $200 million in compensation to more than 1,000 people.
COMMENT:-
Gosh, requiring the RCC Inc. to actually pay the appropriate amount of damages as awarded by the courts is something that the RCC Inc. approves of provided that it doesn't actually harm the financial viability of the RCC Inc.
So tell me something new?
Describing legislation that will assist victims of sexual abuse by decades of Catholic priests as being legislation that is aimed at "breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations" is one of the finest combinations of emotionally laden sophistry and semantic bunk that I have seen in years.
If the RCC Inc. would actually come clean about the number of reported incidents, the names of the alleged abusers, and what actual steps the RCC Inc. did to PREVENT similar instances from happening again (as well as what steps the RCC Inc. took to cover up those instances) I might be somewhat more inclined to cut it some slack.
It isn't, so I'm not.
No your position would be more like, if a handful of bank robbers existed in your organization, and robbed some banks, but in a way that couldn’t be conclusively proven then you should be liable for all the bank robbing.
They just won’t have a parish.
From NBC News
Catholic cardinal says any new NY law for abuse victims should avoid 'breaking' the church
With the New York state Legislature expected to take up a bill that could enable more victims of sex abuse by priests to sue, Cardinal Timothy Dolan is calling for a measure that avoids "breaking" the Roman Catholic Church.
Dolan, who as archbishop of New York leads more than 2 million Catholics, says he is in favor of a proposed “Child Victims Act” but that such a bill should focus on helping victims.
"The emphasis must be on helping them heal, not breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations and institutions," Dolan wrote in a op-ed Tuesday in The Daily News.
To achieve this, the cardinal said the bill should be modeled on an independent program run by the archdiocese of New York and four other dioceses in the state that has already paid over $200 million in compensation to more than 1,000 people.
COMMENT:-
Gosh, requiring the RCC Inc. to actually pay the appropriate amount of damages as awarded by the courts is something that the RCC Inc. approves of provided that it doesn't actually harm the financial viability of the RCC Inc.
So tell me something new?
Describing legislation that will assist victims of sexual abuse by decades of Catholic priests as being legislation that is aimed at "breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations" is one of the finest combinations of emotionally laden sophistry and semantic bunk that I have seen in years.
If the RCC Inc. would actually come clean about the number of reported incidents, the names of the alleged abusers, and what actual steps the RCC Inc. did to PREVENT similar instances from happening again (as well as what steps the RCC Inc. took to cover up those instances) I might be somewhat more inclined to cut it some slack.
It isn't, so I'm not.
From NBC News
Catholic cardinal says any new NY law for abuse victims should avoid 'breaking' the church
With the New York state Legislature expected to take up a bill that could enable more victims of sex abuse by priests to sue, Cardinal Timothy Dolan is calling for a measure that avoids "breaking" the Roman Catholic Church.
Dolan, who as archbishop of New York leads more than 2 million Catholics, says he is in favor of a proposed “Child Victims Act” but that such a bill should focus on helping victims.
"The emphasis must be on helping them heal, not breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations and institutions," Dolan wrote in a op-ed Tuesday in The Daily News.
To achieve this, the cardinal said the bill should be modeled on an independent program run by the archdiocese of New York and four other dioceses in the state that has already paid over $200 million in compensation to more than 1,000 people.
COMMENT:-
Gosh, requiring the RCC Inc. to actually pay the appropriate amount of damages as awarded by the courts is something that the RCC Inc. approves of provided that it doesn't actually harm the financial viability of the RCC Inc.
So tell me something new?
Describing legislation that will assist victims of sexual abuse by decades of Catholic priests as being legislation that is aimed at "breaking government, educational, health, welfare, or religious organizations" is one of the finest combinations of emotionally laden sophistry and semantic bunk that I have seen in years.
If the RCC Inc. would actually come clean about the number of reported incidents, the names of the alleged abusers, and what actual steps the RCC Inc. did to PREVENT similar instances from happening again (as well as what steps the RCC Inc. took to cover up those instances) I might be somewhat more inclined to cut it some slack.
It isn't, so I'm not.
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