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What was the one with Al Pacino; Donnie Brasco? Gritty and real
If only the two choices, I vote Good Fellas; but God Father 1+2 were awesome, imo....
Arguably the crown jewels in Martin Scorsese's career, these two epic gangster films are among some of the finest films ever made.
But which one is actually better?
I recently watched both again and I found myself wondering that question a lot.
On the one hand Goodfellas was first and Casino is rather similar, but personally, for myself I've actually come to the opinion that Casino is better, when I sat down and watched it all again, I just had more fun watching Casino, I actually liked Joe Pescis character of Nicky, more than Tommy, although of course, they are both great, I feel the character of Nicky had a bit more of a character arc and I feel that De Niros character in Casino had a more dramatic and fleshed out relationship that also had a more interesting arc with his wife than Ray Liottas conflict with his wife in Goodfellas.
The other point I'll make though and
*spoilers ahead if you've been living under a rock and you've never seen these films*
this is not necessarily a positive or a negative, but the scene where Nicky and his brother are beaten to death in Casino... I feel, the first time I saw that, that it was one of the most viscerally, graphically violent scenes I've ever seen in movie history, like I've seen alot of violent films, but something about scene, it was so grounded, so realistic it honestly left me pretty shocked after seeing it.
Now, both films are again, some of the best films ever made but I think they are more different than the critics of the day gave them credit for, they are both near perfect films, but Casino, I dunno it edges it out for me.
Whats your take?
Arguably the crown jewels in Martin Scorsese's career, these two epic gangster films are among some of the finest films ever made.
But which one is actually better?
I recently watched both again and I found myself wondering that question a lot.
On the one hand Goodfellas was first and Casino is rather similar, but personally, for myself I've actually come to the opinion that Casino is better, when I sat down and watched it all again, I just had more fun watching Casino, I actually liked Joe Pescis character of Nicky, more than Tommy, although of course, they are both great, I feel the character of Nicky had a bit more of a character arc and I feel that De Niros character in Casino had a more dramatic and fleshed out relationship that also had a more interesting arc with his wife than Ray Liottas conflict with his wife in Goodfellas.
The other point I'll make though and
*spoilers ahead if you've been living under a rock and you've never seen these films*
this is not necessarily a positive or a negative, but the scene where Nicky and his brother are beaten to death in Casino... I feel, the first time I saw that, that it was one of the most viscerally, graphically violent scenes I've ever seen in movie history, like I've seen alot of violent films, but something about scene, it was so grounded, so realistic it honestly left me pretty shocked after seeing it.
Now, both films are again, some of the best films ever made but I think they are more different than the critics of the day gave them credit for, they are both near perfect films, but Casino, I dunno it edges it out for me.
Whats your take?
Arguably the crown jewels in Martin Scorsese's career, these two epic gangster films are among some of the finest films ever made.
But which one is actually better?
I recently watched both again and I found myself wondering that question a lot.
On the one hand Goodfellas was first and Casino is rather similar, but personally, for myself I've actually come to the opinion that Casino is better, when I sat down and watched it all again, I just had more fun watching Casino, I actually liked Joe Pescis character of Nicky, more than Tommy, although of course, they are both great, I feel the character of Nicky had a bit more of a character arc and I feel that De Niros character in Casino had a more dramatic and fleshed out relationship that also had a more interesting arc with his wife than Ray Liottas conflict with his wife in Goodfellas.
The other point I'll make though and
*spoilers ahead if you've been living under a rock and you've never seen these films*
this is not necessarily a positive or a negative, but the scene where Nicky and his brother are beaten to death in Casino... I feel, the first time I saw that, that it was one of the most viscerally, graphically violent scenes I've ever seen in movie history, like I've seen alot of violent films, but something about scene, it was so grounded, so realistic it honestly left me pretty shocked after seeing it.
Now, both films are again, some of the best films ever made but I think they are more different than the critics of the day gave them credit for, they are both near perfect films, but Casino, I dunno it edges it out for me.
Whats your take?
Just keep ya' mouth shut and you won't have to worry about any of those "things" happening to you.Goodfellas. Casino, while well done, was too graphic for me to enjoy without seeing things that can't be unseen.
this is not necessarily a positive or a negative, but the scene where Nicky and his brother are beaten to death in Casino... I feel, the first time I saw that, that it was one of the most viscerally, graphically violent scenes I've ever seen in movie history, like I've seen alot of violent films, but something about scene, it was so grounded, so realistic it honestly left me pretty shocked after seeing it.
Just keep ya' mouth shut and you won't have to worry about any of those "things" happening to you.
There's no shame in being buried alive. :mrgreen:it was too much for me. looks like Billy Batts got his cinematic revenge, though. with bats.
The art of mob movies is they demonstrate that though psychopaths can be charming, they are still psychopaths, and are more evil than good.I haven't seen Donnie Brasco(!), missed it and never caught it. Something to watch, yay.
That scene was the first thing I thought of when I saw your post title. That kind of intentionally brutality/murdering, sickens me still. A few of those scenes I think about on occasion (the various hits).
And yet if a movie/art is here to inform us of reality in a fictional/artistic way, then maybe the realistic representation is there as a caution...this kind of stuff happens, it's a razors edge of humanity.
Goodfellas was a wild ride, but I like watching De Niro in Casino more than Liotta I think. Hard to say unless I watched them now, and back-to-back.
My favorite crime/brutality, although not gangster, was Heat. I watch that every time it's on, can't help myself.
There's no shame in being buried alive. :mrgreen:
You're not a sociopath, so you won't.i hope to not find out.
Goodfellas is hands down the best mobster movie in history...
The first half of Casino is freaking awesome but it then delves into this stupid insanity with Sharon Stone and it goes forever...
Um, no. The Godfather I and II is still the greatest ever.Goodfellas is hands down the best mobster movie in history...
Casino. ...and you are right about that scene.
You are also right about the fleshing out of Robert's character.
When he talks to the cop who was called to his house by his first name.
Um, no. The Godfather I and II is still the greatest ever.
If anyone likes mobster movies, I would suggest a few foreign films and TV shows that are pretty good: Gomorra, Suburra, Romanzo Criminale, Mesrine I and II, and of course, City of God (the only movie to come close to the Godfather).
As far as Casino and Goodfellas, I'll take Casino, since its more refined. Pesci seems to play the same character in both movies too lol.
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