Carter calls for funding Palestinians
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
A day after Hamas swept to an upset victory in the Palestinian parliamentary elections, former US President Jimmy Carter on Thursday said that Wednesday's voting had been orderly and fair.
"The elections were completely honest, completely fair, completely safe and without violence," the former president said.
Carter, who led an 85-member international observer team from around the world organized by the 'National Democratic Institute' in partnership with 'The Carter Center,' urged the international community to directly or indirectly fund the new Palestinian Government even though it will be led by an internationally-declared foreign terror organization.
Are you for democracy or not?Originally posted by ThePhoenix
This guy is nuts (pun intended), We can not fund a terror group who calls for the destruction of any country and the annihilation of it`s people and will not change its charter to allow Israel the right to exist.
As far as I know, at least the Fatah party was willing to work with Israel.
ThePhoenix said:This guy is nuts (pun intended), We can not fund a terror group who calls for the destruction of any country and the annihilation of it`s people and will not change its charter to allow Israel the right to exist.
As far as I know, at least the Fatah party was willing to work with Israel.
Democracy is fine and they have their democracy, but funding terror is not.Billo_Really said:Are you for democracy or not?
As long as he stays on his podium I`ll stay on his liberal a**alphieb said:Get off his a** Carter has not been in office for 27 years. Why all the fuss on Carter? Whine a little more rightie.
alphieb said:Get off his a** Carter has not been in office for 27 years. Why all the fuss on Carter? Whine a little more rightie.
ashurbanipal said:Terrorism is a point of view--I think it's clear we ought to fund Hamas provided they use the funding to help the Palestinian people.
ashurbanipal said:Terrorism is a point of view--I think it's clear we ought to fund Hamas provided they use the funding to help the Palestinian people.
The schools hammas runs brainwash the kids with the whole idea that suicide bombing is a great way to die. They even have posters honoring them in the classrooms.
Hammas has to remake it self. The suicide bombing has to stop.
ashurbanipal said:I don't see why they should be made to denounce the use of terrorism. They have legitimate and severe grievances that are only begining to be addressed. While I deplore blowing people up, there's a time when it becomes necessary.
ashurbanipal said:You may be surprised to learn that the textbooks they use were comissioned by the U.S. government and shipped to them--under Carter's presidency, IIRC.
ashurbanipal said:The bombing ought to stop. But so ought Israeli aggression.
ashurbanipal said:While I deplore blowing people up, there's a time when it becomes necessary.
So you feel there is a time to detonate explosives in the midst of a group of woman and children? You think target innocent civilians day in and day out is an exceptable form of expression? Sorry.. but theres something wrong with you
Does not mean there not teaching these kids that they should strap martry bombs to there chest and run into a kidergarten class somewhere
H@mas are terrorist targeting civilians, that makes them animals in todays day and age.
No. No. No. There is never, ever, an excuse for deliberately targeting women and children.
ashurbanipal said:I think (not feel-there's a difference) that the circumstances must be extreme. To wit, all the following must obtain:
Let group A be some group of people, and group B be some group of people who are committing terrorist acts as described. Then:
1) Group A must have killed and/ or impoverished many members of group B indiscriminately, including women and children, prior to group B's commission of terrorism.
2) Group A must have ensured that group B has no means of legal recourse against group A.
3) Group A must have ensured that group B has no means of publicizing their plight or that such publicity can be made to be confused or discredited.
4) Group A must have ensured that group B has no other means to fight against group A, and that group B could not inflict any military casualties against group A by any means.
All those conditions obtain where group A is the Israelis and group B is the Palestinians. We can debate this, of course, but would you agree that if I am right about these conditions, such action is warranted?
I don't follow.
Then we are a bigger and more savage animal.
1) Who said anything about excuses?
2) Prove it. Show why such a thing would not be justified in the circumstances outlined above, and the following as well:
1) Suppose that aliens landed on earth and told you that they would destroy the planet if you didn't kill a small group of women and children.
2) Suppose that the women and children in question are themselves planning to destroy the planet and have the means to do so.
These may seem like far-fetched circumstances--but your claim is obviously that under no circumstance should women and children ever be deliberately killed. So you have to deal with them and show why we shouldn't kill those women and children.
In fact, I think that the circumstances I outlined at the top of this post justify it, though of all likely scenarios, they are the only ones that do.
Finally, realize that any reason you adduce for such an enterprise works equally against the United States, England, Israel, and assorted other Western Nations. When we rolled through Falluja and opened up with large caliber machine guns in neighborhoods we knew were populated with non-combatants, we were targetting women and children in exactly the same way that a bomber targets women and children. The point in either case is to inflict damage against a target perceived as doing you harm; that women and children happen to be present is secondary. Suppose someone has elected to blow up a bus. Do you think that they would abort this plan, if, on boarding the bus, they found it populated entirely by men?
I agree that women, children, and men ought to be able to live their lives without fear of being shot, stabbed, burned, blown up, run over, beaten, poisoned, driven from their land, or dispossesed in any way. But where one side has an overwhelming amount of power and they fail to exercise restraint thereof, and they commit such actions, what is left to the side that is victimized but to respond in kind?
ashurbanipal said:1) Suppose that aliens landed on earth and told you that they would destroy the planet if you didn't kill a small group of women and children.
2) Suppose that the women and children in question are themselves planning to destroy the planet and have the means to do so.
I am one of the most Conservative as one can be and I feel Saudi Arabia should answer to the same rules as other countries who support terror of any form, so I would say your assessment is wrong...Saboteur said:We fund Saudi Arabia and they are known to grant amnisty to terrorists in fact one of Osama Bin Laden's right hand men was photographed at their airport with government security.
But all the conservatives say to this is "yeah well... they're coming around.":roll:
Talk about B.S.
ThePhoenix said:I am one of the most Conservative as one can be and I feel Saudi Arabia should answer to the same rules as other countries who support terror of any form, so I would say your assessment is wrong...
ashurbanipal said:Terrorism is a point of view--I think it's clear we ought to fund Hamas provided they use the funding to help the Palestinian people.
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