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Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.
The best path to long term health is preventative care. If more people could access healthcare more regularly, it would actually cut costs down because there would be fewer serious complications down the road.
The best path to long term health is preventative care. If more people could access healthcare more regularly, it would actually cut costs down because there would be fewer serious complications down the road.
Even during acute spikes, a healthier population overall will be less vulnerable. Early preventative care means less need for costly emergency treatment later on.The cost savings there come would from allowing the system to pare back on (unneeded) capacity since a healthier population would consume fewer health resources, shrinking the number of beds, staffing, etc. Which would be great, except during acute spikes in demand like a pandemic.
Both are issues.Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.
If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.
I doubt that. But if you'd care to link some information, or paraphrase it, I'm all ears.Yea, that's just not true. Read about the Oregon experiment. Is disproved all of these things.
Even during acute spikes, a healthier population overall will be less vulnerable. Early preventative care means less need for costly emergency treatment later on.
OK, You are seriously listing as a downside of socialized medicine that "everyone will use it"?Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.
If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.
I doubt that. But if you'd care to link some information, or paraphrase it, I'm all ears.
Of course, a pandemic is always going to apply serious strain to any healthcare system. But that doesn't mean there aren't serious problems with the US setup, or that these problems don't compoud the difficulties in dealing with the pandemic.I'm not saying a leaner health system wouldn't be great, I'm saying you're going to run into problems during a pandemic no matter what. The OP wants to pin a problem that every system around the globe is grappling with on some ideological gripe about the U.S.
I feel that a one to two year study is inadequate to observe the full impact of what universal health coverage could actually achieve if adopted nationwide on a permanent basis.Doubt what you want, it has had numerous papers published on it.
Effectively the state of Oregon did a random lottery for thousands of people to be given free healthcare, no strings attached, in exchange for monitoring and feedback over several years.
It ended up showing that ER usage increased, spending dramatically increased, there was no material improvement in the management of chronic disease or physical health overall, and a minor increase in mental health.
Republicans started sabotaging Obamacare five minutes after it was conceived. It's nothing like what was intended.Wait a minute, don't you have OBAMACARE? Affordable healthcare for everyone, mandated by the government?
Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.
If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.
Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.
Solving simple poverty through equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could mean greater market participation by more persons. Since we subscribe to Capitalism we must pay persons to be Good and not Bad. Equal protection of our at-will employment laws is a simple modus operandi.Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.
The dilemma is we need to increase market participation so healthcare firms can afford more nurses.Too many Americans are just plain gullible and incapable of reasoning through cost-benefit-analysis to abandon the "increased cost, doctor shortage, endless wait, denial of service, freeloader, government overreach, death squad" rhetoric without any viable reasoning beyond 'it's a liberal power grab,' and constantly reiterating alternate arguments when faced with actual logic and data blowing up their barked-out disproven 'facts.'
Thanks buttheads; reasonable intelligent problem solving is not near so fun as plain old pointlessly arguing negatives.
Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.
If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.
Hawaii had socialized medicine. Everyone was covered. No one was without proper health care and no medical bill went unpaid.
I was in a near death accident with monster 15 ft waves in Hawaii in 2009.
I went into the coma in the aid car on the way to the hospital.
I went through ER then was admitted into ICU.
In that ICU every nurse was limited to TWO patients per nurse. So no patient went unattended. I had never gotten such excellent care. It's their excellent care that kept me alive when I was expected to die. It was their excellent care that helped me come out of a coma the doctors doubted I would wake from.
When we got back home to the mainland my ex and I expected to get a hospital bill of at least 50 thousand dollars. We were used to the bills here on the mainland. Where not everyone is covered. Where not everyone can get needed health care, where not every bill is paid so the unpaid bills are "cost shifted" to those who can pay resulting in medical bills many more times than they should cost.
The whole hospital bill for all the excellent gold Cadillac care I received in Hawaii was 26 thousand dollars. The union my ex was in made sure we had proper insurance so we didn't have to pay any of it, the insurance paid it all.
Your last sentence can't be more wrong.
Actual real world facts just aren't on your side.
You need to stop lying.
Hawaii had socialized medicine. Everyone was covered. No one was without proper health care and no medical bill went unpaid.
I was in a near death accident with monster 15 ft waves in Hawaii in 2009.
I went into the coma in the aid car on the way to the hospital.
I went through ER then was admitted into ICU.
In that ICU every nurse was limited to TWO patients per nurse. So no patient went unattended. I had never gotten such excellent care. It's their excellent care that kept me alive when I was expected to die. It was their excellent care that helped me come out of a coma the doctors doubted I would wake from.
When we got back home to the mainland my ex and I expected to get a hospital bill of at least 50 thousand dollars. We were used to the bills here on the mainland. Where not everyone is covered. Where not everyone can get needed health care, where not every bill is paid so the unpaid bills are "cost shifted" to those who can pay resulting in medical bills many more times than they should cost.
The whole hospital bill for all the excellent gold Cadillac care I received in Hawaii was 26 thousand dollars. The union my ex was in made sure we had proper insurance so we didn't have to pay any of it, the insurance paid it all.
Anecdotal evidence is just that, nothing more.
All the bills there are paid in full so no bill ever goes unpaid. So costs of health care are kept low. They are only paying for health care they receive, not health care someone else received but didn't pay the bill like we have to do here.
Stop with the lies.
Just a question, have you ever been involved in the health care system? Do you actually know anything about it, other than what you have read or watched a talking head show discussing our system? Again, just asking?Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.
If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.
Just a question, have you ever been involved in the health care system? Do you actually know anything about it, other than what you have read or watched a talking head show discussing our system? Again, just asking?
Just so you know, we do not have a health care system, what we have is a profit center for large corporations, both in the provision of service and the paying for that service. What it means is that both providers and insurers are there to make a profit. The providers want to over provide services, especially when it comes to tests and surgeries. Insurers on the other hand want to pay as little and approve as little services as they can get away with. Neither side cares about the actual needs of those requiring services, but only about profit.Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.
If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.
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