Capitalism + Healthcare = Death

[Dans La Lune]

Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.

If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.

 

[NatMorton]

Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing)

It's always helpful when propaganda posts announce their rampant political bias in the first sentence. It just saves time.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.

Did you even watch the video?

If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.

Um, it's not a ****ing carnival ride. No one goes to the hospital unless they need to. And yes, everyone pays, everyone gets access.

 

[Dans La Lune]

It's always helpful when propaganda posts announce their rampant political bias in the first sentence. It just saves time.

Would you rather me be politically correct? I thought conservatives didn't want people to sugarcoat the truth.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Did you even watch the video?



Um, it's not a ****ing carnival ride. No one goes to the hospital unless they need to. And yes, everyone pays, everyone gets access.

No they didn't. They avoid looking so they don't have to deal with it.

We aren't a very progressive country, it's difficult to watch other countries have these first world improvements but all we can do is watch from here, we tend to enjoy "old school."

 

[OrphanSlug]

Did you even watch the video?

Not all of it, they tend to be more propaganda than anything else.

Um, it's not a ****ing carnival ride. No one goes to the hospital unless they need to. And yes, everyone pays, everyone gets access.

Actually it is, and it is especially true of US healthcare. The more that is ‘free’ the more it is used.

 

[NatMorton]

Would you rather me be politically correct? I thought conservatives didn't want people to sugarcoat the truth.

I'd rather you be objective.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.

I think socialized healthcare vs. for-profit doesn't have to be an either/or dichotomy. Personally, I'd like to see a compromise that incorporates the best of both worlds.

Leave the capitalist, for-profit healthcare system in place for those who can afford better care and would rather pay for it.

Add a socialized, taxpayer-funded healthcare system for basic checkups, preventative care, and routine procedures. Referrals to specialists may roll the costs down to the patient, or possibly subsidize some or all of it depending on sensible factors.

The devil is always in the details of course, but I think some sort of compromise like this should be in the discussion more often.

I would also like to see our health insurance de-coupled away from our employment. When we find a new job, we don't have to find new car insurance along with it. And when we lose our job, we don't lose our car insurance too. Why should our health insurance be any different?

 

[TheParser]

I do not understand the health crisis.

I do not even understand what "single payer" means.

But I think that I DO know two things:

1. As a Medicare recipient, I like it a lot and wish that everyone (regardless of age) could have it.

2. I have read that after World War II, the new Labo(u)r government in England started what we Americans refer to as socialized medicine.

a. As I understand it, for the first time in English history, sick people could get medical help completely free of charge.
b. I understand that one of its architects was a politician who had a close relative die before World War II because he lacked money for treatment.
c. This socialized medicine worked well for many years. American visitors were impressed: "I needed medical help while visiting London. They fixed me up. No charge."

d. I understand that today the system is not working. It is overburdened. Some people find that they have to pay private doctors for help that the socialized system is not providing them in a timely manner.

I wish that the Dem administration would work harmoniously with the Republicans to find some way to offer top medical treatment to all residents (even the undocumented) at a very low cost or -- preferably --free of charge.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.

I can vouch for that!

I've had my 100% FREE Socialist BidenCare™ plan for almost a year now, and I've never had it so good!!

Just show the card and BAM!! No charge!! Covers everything, no deductibles. I ask you: how can you beat that?

 

[bave]

You might want to ask a lot of single payer nations how it is currently going. Canada's system is outright imploding right now.

 

[BirdinHand]

Aside from nurses being subject to rampant physical, verbal and emotional abuse (especially from the right-wing) hospitals are not hiring nurses -- despite there being an excess of them -- because they cut into profits. The for-profit system of healthcare is an ABYSMAL failure, and people are dying because of it. The COVID pandemic would have hit America far less severely if hospitals were adequately staffed. However, there's no money in healthcare unless you overcharge for services and medicine, underperform for patients, and overwork the employees.

Not hiring nurses?

I’ll just go tell that to several of my friends that are nurse recruiters who have several hundred job openings they are trying to fill.

They must not have gotten the memo.

 

[bave]

Not hiring nurses?

I’ll just go tell that to several of my friends that are nurse recruiters who have several hundred job openings they are trying to fill.

They must not have gotten the memo.

There is a huge shortage across the entire labor spectrum, most acutely in all of healthcare.

 

[BirdinHand]

There is a huge shortage across the entire labor spectrum, most acutely in all of healthcare.

Yeah…all these open jobs that recruiters and HR people are working tirelessly to fill.

And then to find out they’re not really being hired!?

 

[Irredentist]

Not all of it, they tend to be more propaganda than anything else.



Actually it is, and it is especially true of US healthcare. The more that is ‘free’ the more it is used.

I'm not seeing the problem with that. People should be getting healthcare more often. The fact that they don't is purely because of the prohibitive expense.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I'm not seeing the problem with that. People should be getting healthcare more often. The fact that they don't is purely because of the prohibitive expense.

You guys might want to make up your mind on this.

 

[TearItAllDown]

I'm not seeing the problem with that. People should be getting healthcare more often. The fact that they don't is purely because of the prohibitive expense.

Wait a minute, don't you have OBAMACARE? Affordable healthcare for everyone, mandated by the government?

 

[Irredentist]

You guys might want to make up your mind on this.

I've already made up my mind. The healthcare system in America is hot garbage. Health insurance as a concept is an inherent contradiction. It doesn't work, and it should be replaced with a taxpayer funded system.

 

[Irredentist]

Wait a minute, don't you have OBAMACARE? Affordable healthcare for everyone, mandated by the government?

I'm not a fan of Obamacare. I prefer a single payer, taxpayer funded, national healthcare system.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I've already made up my mind. The healthcare system in America is hot garbage. Health insurance as a concept is an inherent contradiction. It doesn't work, and it should be replaced with a taxpayer funded system.

I already know that part, make up your mind on using healthcare more often or whatever the OP @Dans La Lune was going on about.

 

[Irredentist]

I already know that part, make up your mind on using healthcare more often or whatever the OP @Dans La Lune was going on about.

The best path to long term health is preventative care. If more people could access healthcare more regularly, it would actually cut costs down because there would be fewer serious complications down the road.

 

[TearItAllDown]

I'm not a fan of Obamacare. I prefer a single payer, taxpayer funded, national healthcare system.

Do you know you could easily have one just like many nations of the world have? You just have to convince your government to stop wasting so much money on stuff that really doesn't benefit the american people and start investing money is stuff that does. Does america really need to spend a trillion USD on defense? Does it really need to give out billions to other countries? Does it really need to pay for the lion's share of european defense? Just think about it.

 

[Irredentist]

Do you know you could easily have one just like many nations of the world have? You just have to convince your government to stop wasting so much money on stuff that really doesn't benefit the american people and start investing money is stuff that does. Does america really need to spend a trillion USD on defense? Does it really need to give out billions to other countries? Does it really need to pay for the lion's share of european defense? Just think about it.

No argument here. But convincing the American people to give up militarism in favor of socialized healthcare is easier said than done.

 

[jotathought]

Not this shit again… for-profit healthcare systems were never the problem, the 3rd party in the room always was. Be it private insurance or the government or some terrible combination of the two people did not start going bankrupt over heart surgery until a 3rd party (or two) figured out a way to insert vulture capitalism into the mix.

If you outright socialize healthcare then there is every incentive for everyone to use it at the expense of everyone, meaning costs go up until the point that services goes down and/or restrictions are implemented.

Wow .. this a very good description .. well done.