Canada announces retaliatory measures on U.S. steel, aluminum tariffs

[Airyaman]

Come on now, you should know it's invisible ink to prevent the secrets of the deal from being revealed.

Yup - blank pages.

Reminds me of this:

 

[Peter]

While unelected bureaucrats in Brussels were writing immigration policy for the UK, they certainly did not have sovereignty. that is one of many reasons the UK voters approved Brexit

That's absolute bollocks for a start.
The EU had zero impact on UK imigration policies and the UK had an opt-out for EU law anyway even if they tried.

The UK had a pretty sweet deal with the EU that we chucked away.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The EU had zero impact on UK imigration policies

False.

The UK had a pretty sweet deal with the EU that we chucked away.

So sweet that the actual citizens decided to chuck it away. Got it.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Of course now that some got their jingoistic wish, the impacts have become clear on the economy and certain industries (NHS, hospitality, agriculture, transportation etc.) where they've struggled to replace workers.

So, what you are suggesting is that the British, despite centuries of existence are helpless and incapable of building a successful economy, infrastructure or trade without assistance from the European Union. The reality is that nobody expected instant positive economic results the moment Brexit became law. It does take a bit of time to stand on your own two feet.

 

[ElChupacabra]

So, what you are suggesting is that the British, despite centuries of existence are helpless and incapable of building a successful economy, infrastructure or trade without assistance from the European Union. The reality is that nobody expected instant positive economic results the moment Brexit became law. It does take a bit of time to stand on your own two feet.

That's not what I'm suggesting, and would be an odd conclusion to draw from it. The question here is about what migration of the kind membership to the EU provided the UK in terms of growth, because access to more workers helps drive that as well, as shown below.

Migration can lead to new jobs - rather than competition for existing ones​

Source

So I guess if a nation would rather focus more on jingoistic culture war nonsense, then it can avoid economic growth as well.

 

[MAGAnificent]

So I guess if a nation would rather focus more on jingoistic culture war nonsense, then it can avoid economic growth as well.

Never mind jingoism. How about sovereignty? People moving to the UK is not contingent on EU membership. People can still emigrate legally. If the EU were to become a nation, something along the United States of Europe along USA lines.. and go to a US version of a constitution, that would be different.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Never mind jingoism. How about sovereignty? People moving to the UK is not contingent on EU membership. People can still emigrate legally. If the EU were to become a nation, something along the United States of Europe along USA lines.. and go to a US version of a constitution, that would be different.

Jingoism fueled this among older conservatives who express far more concern about "national culture" than the younger generations do. Much of the campaigning around Brexit by "Leave" crowd centered on British nostalgia, in the same way the MAGA folks refer to when the US was "great". Sovereignty the red herring issue to mask the underlying concern.




So the free movement provision in EU membership allows for citizens of EU nations to move freely within member nations without the typical immigration process that is now in place. This meant workers could move between countries and work with relative ease and not have to worry about work visas etc. The results no are that immigration from EU nations has taken quite the hit, and the skilled workers who were there before are not coming back.

 

[Ahlevah]

I thought nations would be begging for deals and it's all been quiet.

Well, not completely.

 

[Ahlevah]

They had their sovereignty all along, and preferential treatment in the EU which they now don't have.

The EU hit its high-water mark just before Britain left. It’s really just a charade—a glorified trading bloc with “feel good” ambitions for worldly unity—at this point. The sort of nativist, populist tide we’ve seen sweep into a number European countries in recent years doesn’t bode well for its future. Racist, cultural snobs in Northern and Western Europe getting blasted with millions of Eastern European, African, East Asian, and Middle Eastern migrants sealed its fate. What are the chances of the “temporary” border controls and checkpoints ending, some of which have been in effect for ten years? Probably somewhere between “slim” and “none.” There will never be a “European” identity in the same way there is an “American” one. I mean, seriously, what do Danes or Finns have in common with Bulgarians or Italians? Not much. They’re dreaming. “European Union” is an oxymoron.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The EU hit its high-water mark just before Britain left. It’s really just a charade—a glorified trading bloc with “feel good” ambitions for worldly unity—at this point. The sort of nativist, populist tide we’ve seen sweep into a number European countries in recent years doesn’t bode well for its future. Racist, cultural snobs in Northern and Western Europe getting blasted with millions of Eastern European, African, East Asian, and Middle Eastern migrants sealed its fate. What are the chances of the “temporary” border controls and checkpoints ending, some of which have been in effect for ten years? Probably somewhere between “slim” and “none.” There will never be a “European” identity in the same way there is an “American” one. I mean, seriously, what do Danes or Finns have in common with Bulgarians or Italians? Not much. They’re dreaming. “European Union” is an oxymoron.

I don't think the aim was ever for a European identity akin to the US, since the national identities are guarded pretty tightly by all involved. The much more realistic aim is to work cohesively for regional interests and as a larger market to stand against other large economies.

 

[Ahlevah]

I don't think the aim was ever for a European identity akin to the US, since the national identities are guarded pretty tightly by all involved. The much more realistic aim is to work cohesively for regional interests and as a larger market to stand against other large economies.

Like a said, a “glorified trading bloc.” But I think the progressive dream is to move beyond national borders to a sort of “United States of Europe,” and that ain’t happening. I mean, European countries welcome short-term visitors and tourists, but if you live within the Schengen Area and wish to permanently relocate to another country you’ll still need to meet particular criteria, such as being employed or retired, and apply for a residence permit. In the United States, citizens have complete free movement across borders in a geographical area encompassing 3.79 million square miles. And we can still visit Canada even if they hate us. In fact, earlier this year my wife and I visited four different countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, and I never had to show a passport. Even in Panama, where I was told I would need to show it, I never did. And to get through their “customs and immigration,” such as it was, when leaving they’d just glance at the swipe card issued by the cruise line. They never checked shit. Maybe they saw my Magellan zip-off pants and straw hat with the Corona badge on it and said, “Ahh, no terrorist here! Just another Yankee gringo tourist!”

 

[german hick]

The EU hit its high-water mark just before Britain left. It’s really just a charade—a glorified trading bloc with “feel good” ambitions for worldly unity—at this point. The sort of nativist, populist tide we’ve seen sweep into a number European countries in recent years doesn’t bode well for its future. Racist, cultural snobs in Northern and Western Europe getting blasted with millions of Eastern European, African, East Asian, and Middle Eastern migrants sealed its fate. What are the chances of the “temporary” border controls and checkpoints ending, some of which have been in effect for ten years? Probably somewhere between “slim” and “none.” There will never be a “European” identity in the same way there is an “American” one. I mean, seriously, what do Danes or Finns have in common with Bulgarians or Italians? Not much. They’re dreaming. “European Union” is an oxymoron.

So it came that far that American right wing Cowboys even wanna dictate us our dreams? Sorry, but you have really literally no clue of the European Union.

We have different cultures and thats a big plus. But I think in terms of values, the Europeans (may be without hungary) have much more in common than different US states who share a common language and culture.

 

[Ahlevah]

So it came that far that American right wing Cowboys even wanna dictate us our dreams? Sorry, but you have really literally no clue of the European Union.

Hey, I’m not dictating anything. We’ll do us, and you do you, but good luck!

We have different cultures and thats a big plus. But I think in terms of values, the Europeans (may be without hungary) have much more in common than different US states who share a common language and culture.

It wasn’t exactly sweetness and light when millions of migrants from Africa and the Middle East were storming the Continent. It seemed to us that cultural purists were hoping they’d all stay in Italy or Turkey. There seemed to be a marked change in attitude after the New Year’s Eve sexual assault and groping incidents in 2015. As I recall, Angela Merkel took a lot of political heat after that for letting in so many poor Muslim migrants.

 

[Allan]

 

[Fearandloathing]

shrug...

This won't help them when it comes time to talk next month.

Be careful what you ask for.

No one has even mentioned electricity......

Most of the electrical needs of the US Northwest are generated here, in British Columbia.

I wonder why no one is stating the obvious......

 

[Fearandloathing]

LOL!! Right.

Ask China if they work.


All they'll do is give US companies more incentive to cut loose from Canada's products and make them ourselves.

As if you can.


It's oil, electricity, energy etc.

We don't export ANY manufactured goods....just ALL your power in the north west.

Type in Blaine, Washington in your browser to see what happens when Canucks stop buying from you.

I hope you can spell bankruptcy.

And trust me...it's not temporary.

 

[DaNewsNerd]

To think Trump would care about lost jobs is a bit naive at the point. Trumps point is to concentrate power, not bring jobs home. Trump has to establish his control before he could rework the economy to support the state. The tariffs serve the goal. He has to beat the population into submission first.

Authoritarianism demands obedience over everything else. The tariffs buy time to do that. It's much easier to combat people without the means to fight. And now that Trump can use the National Guard for his bidding, we are headed to a climax soon.

While tariffs may buy some time, it also damages trust and therefore international relations!

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

While tariffs may buy some time, it also damages trust and therefore international relations!

Among other things like national stability, and sustainability.