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Can someone Gay-Trans etc. be Saved?

VySky

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We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?
 
Jesus forgives past sins, yes...but he also expects a person to turn around and stop doing what he was doing...
 
Speaking in a moral context, for I'm in no position to speak from a religious one, no, neither is a sin.

Clinically speaking, homosexuality is a kind of birth defect; that's not anything the woke left wants to hear, but if you think about it in a Darwinian sense, aiming one's sexual interest at someone of your gender isn't exactly what you were designed for as it's not an ideal strategy for getting more of your genes into the next generation.

If by trans you mean having gender dysphoria, that's a mental health condition.

Neither status is worthy of any kind of moral condemnation. It's not as if either group makes a choice; neither is either condition, per se, harmful to others.
 
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’
Depends on which religion is correct. Spoiler Alert: None of them are, so gay people don't actually need saving.
Is being Trans or Gay a sin?
Hmmm... a Sin that harms absolutely nobody and causes zero problems for everyone on Earth. If that's a sin, your god is pretty backward.
Because Jesus forgives sin
Well, if you actually believe that then here's an idea. Quit passing legislation enforcing laws based on what YOU personally consider sin.
I mean if you're own cult leader says he's going to forgive sin then why are we running around trying to punish people for it?

Save laws for things that actually harm other people, and leave people who are simply living their lives in a unique way without causing any problems whatsoever for the rest of the world alone.
 
Are you aware that there are probably gays out there that believe in God?
 
Yes. I was referring to transgender. So, in your opinion can someone gay or transgender be saved?
 
Yes. I was referring to transgender. So, in your opinion can someone gay or transgender be saved?
I understand you're stirring the pot, but I would not say "saved." Another trigger warning for the left here, perhaps the better question is can they become normal?

There sure doesn't seem to be any functional treatment getting gays to become heterosexual, and even if there were I think social pressure would keep it from becoming common practice. I have no idea if there are productive treatments for gender dysphoria; the medical community is making far too much money indulging that particular form of delusion to investigate corrective treatment.
 
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?


Who does or does not go to heaven is above my pay grade, for the most part.

However, half a century of studying scripture does not leave me optimistic about their chances, I'm afraid. I do not say that with glee, but with sadness, btw.
 
Thx I don’t consider it stirring the pot but a legitimate question. Because it’s a big issue in many demonizations.
 
Clinically speaking, homosexuality is a kind of birth defect;
There is not a single legitimate medical journal published within the last 20 years that would define it that way.
Not one single credible medical professional or psychiatrist in the country would agree with your diagnosis. So you're wrong.
Actually from an evolutionary standpoint, sexual openness does make a lot of sense. This is particularly true in women who would potentially be more open to sharing a bed with one particularly good mate.
But many real scientists(Not you) have also postulated theories about how homosexuality in men also helped in conflict avoidance and made them excellent nurturers. For example, you may have a straight son who got married and had children, but then ran off and got himself killed fighting in a war.
Having a gay relative to help raise the children would be beneficial. Furthermore, the fact that a man is gay does not prevent them from having children. Most gay men throughout history likely did have them. Not only were they often forced into marriages against their will, but when wars broke out they generally resulted in the deaths of thousands of testosterone-fueled men while the less violent of men were more likely to stay away and be left with all the women. After a generally terrible war that may have killed off large swaths of countries' prime breeding aged men, it would be the men who stayed behind that would be all that was left to breed.

I've often thought of war's potential for impacting evolution as generally the men most likely to die were the dumb brutes, while the intellectuals, the artists, and those less suited for violence left behind to fill in the child-producing gap.
 
Are you aware that there are probably gays out there that believe in God?
Who cares? Not really relevant to the conversation. Most religious people find ways to convince themselves their own sins don't count or don't matter.

Brainswashing is a very potent tool, and I'm sure there are plenty of gay people who enjoy the comfort of believing there is some kind of afterlife. That doesn't mean any of it is true.
 
But are they saved?
 
There is not a single legitimate medical journal published within the last 20 years that would define it that way.
Not one single credible medical professional or psychiatrist in the country would agree with your diagnosis. So you're wrong.
I acknowledge that it would be politically unacceptable to do so, but I'm not wrong. I'm entirely right. Your gender is male, and I'll assume for the sake of discussion that male is your biological gender. That said, it is a perfectly true statement to say that natural selection has literally designed you to have sex with women and not men. Were you to be sexually attracted to men one could fairly claim that your reproductive drive is broken.

Sorry if that bothers you, but your gonads exist for a reason.
 
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