Lessee now. The USA has saved from bankruptcy the auto industry, the banking industry, the steel
industry, the home-building industry, and etc. That running up massive amounts of unsustainable
debt sounds pretty familiar and pretty current ever since ol' GWBush nearly bankrupted the Nation.
How is it you blame this crap on Bernie? He could not be worse economically compared to the morons
we have suffered.
Lessee now. The USA has saved from bankruptcy the auto industry, the banking industry, the steel
industry, the home-building industry, and etc. That running up massive amounts of unsustainable
debt sounds pretty familiar and pretty current ever since ol' GWBush nearly bankrupted the Nation.
How is it you blame this crap on Bernie? He could not be worse economically compared to the morons
we have suffered.
I'm taking the question at face value. *Can* he win the nomination? Yes, I think he *can*. Primarily because I don't believe the anointing of Hillary is the done deal many others seem to think it is, and sometimes strange things happen in politics.what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
Yep lessee now. Under Bush he raised the National debt by 5.8 trillion in 8 yrs. nearly bankrupted the Nation as you claim. Now under Obama who has raised the national debt by 8 trillion in 6 yrs is by far worse. How would you describe Obama bankrupting the Nation. I would say he is the most unpatriotic president in US History.
Here is Obama in his own words.
Flashback: Obama Talks "Unpatriotic" Debt In 2008 | RealClearPolitics
About the same chance as Ted Cruz...
Vegas odds has Cruz at 33/1... Sanders at 100/1
Perhaps true with the right-wing....but sorry....left-wing voters are going to cast their votes for Hillary in the GE because we recognize that we are never going to get much more than a left-leaning moderate. That is just political reality...something that the right-wing doesn't really understand as well. I think moderate Republican voters get it, but the radical right-wing wants to push the party further to the right which truly does end up losing voters.
Exactly what did Obama do raise the national debt? Please be specific
Hint: There is an economic infrastructure consisting of tax policy and expenditures, both discretionary and non-discretionary that dictate the year over year economic outcomes for our treasury. Presidents can advocate policies that effect those outcomes, but those policies have to be enacted by Congress. A President, by himself, can't do much to effect the outcomes. So, please tell us what Obama did that would substantiate your implication that he raised the debt....
Generally speaking the democrat base is more tenuous about voting than the republican one. If anything, they are more apt to sit out an election if they aren't excited about the candidate at the top of the ticket.
I disagree completely. The left is much more realistic about what it takes to get a candidate elected. If the left were as apathetic as you claim...they would have sat out the last several elections...but they didn't.
..you have a strong right-wing base to the Republican party that uses its threats to get the candidates to cowtow to their issues. It is probably why Romney lost. If he hadn't sold his soul to the right-wing and flip flopped on every major issue and stayed true to his convictions....but instead he felt the need to pander to the right-wing base and he couldn't shake his etch a sketch enough to reinvent himself for the GE
what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
Sanders is running for one reason. He's got something to say. What he has to say won't be heard otherwise. If this is what he has to do...more power to him. I think some will be surprised at the number of people who are really sick of the Clintons and would vote for Bernie...if nothing else but to make a collective political statement that enough is enough of the Clinton Dynasty.
what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
...did you entirely miss 2010/2014? When the lefts' base is excited about a candidate (Obama), they turn out. When they aren't, they don't.
Statistically, the groups that make up the lefts' base (young people, african americans, single women) are simply less likely to vote. In some circumstances they can be pulled to (for example, a candidate they are excited about), but generally:
They're more likely to not bother.
Sort of - you have it backwards. Romney was to the GOP in 2012 was Hillary will likely be to the DNC in 2016 - a candidate that doesn't really match the base, and thus depresses turnout.
Americans have gotten more polarized over the past few years. A winning national-level candidate now is one that excites their base without scaring off the middle.
...did you entirely miss 2010/2014? When the lefts' base is excited about a candidate (Obama), they turn out. When they aren't, they don't.
Statistically, the groups that make up the lefts' base (young people, african americans, single women) are simply less likely to vote. In some circumstances they can be pulled to (for example, a candidate they are excited about), but generally:
They're more likely to not bother.
Sort of - you have it backwards. Romney was to the GOP in 2012 was Hillary will likely be to the DNC in 2016 - a candidate that doesn't really match the base, and thus depresses turnout.
Americans have gotten more polarized over the past few years. A winning national-level candidate now is one that excites their base without scaring off the middle.
You are talking about two different things. We are not talking about the Democratic "base" we were talking about "liberal voters". I might agree with you if we were talking about the base. The point is, the conversation was whether liberal voters will turn out to vote for Hillary despite the fact that she is essentially a moderate/centrist candidate. Hilary will have no problems appealing to the base of the party and liberals will come out and hold their nose and vote for her because they know what the altervative is.
Keep making the Romney/Hilary comparison maybe someday it will stick. Is that what they say on talk radio nowadays?
I haven't seen that comparison anywhere.
And probably a lot of reasons why that graph shows us so close in 2004 was due to fear. In 2014 it's due to a great dysfunction in congress and the horrible channels where people get their "information" from.
That graph also shows the independent base being bigger than ever, with a majority of independents leaning left.
You are talking about two different things. We are not talking about the Democratic "base" we were talking about "liberal voters".
I might agree with you if we were talking about the base. The point is, the conversation was whether liberal voters will turn out to vote for Hillary despite the fact that she is essentially a moderate/centrist candidate. Hilary will have no problems appealing to the base of the party and liberals will come out and hold their nose and vote for her because they know what the altervative is.
what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
what do you think? Does Sanders have a chance?
That's like saying that we aren't discussing Dogs - we are discussing Domesticated Canines. You might have an odd wolf or coyote here or there, but fundamentally, those are the same thing.
:shrug: you might. Thankfully, many of your fellows will not. There might be a third-party candidate that attracts them (if Sanders runs as an independent, for example), or they may choose to say that they are striking a pose because "Man, like, they're all, like, politicians, and, like, part of the system, like, you know?", or they may not even care. But they are less likely - statistically - to vote for Her Inevitableness if she doesn't excite the base.
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